You are of course right about the two world wars. We fought for freedom........then when we had it we promptly gave it away. Although it wasn’t realised at the time!!
They have since confirmed that the decision is more about global decline and not about brexit. Makes sense as the automotive industry is now going through the decline that faced the coal industry.
Boeing have increased their investment in the UK but that's nothing to do with Brexit of course I would say we will be worse of for about 2 years but well worth it. The GDP growth in euro zone is creaking and despite all the gloom and doom predictions our predicted GDP reduction will still be on a par with France for example. think of how many fishing boats there will be in Pompey after March!
i know, the number of people who dont realise were giving away our freedom with Brexit. At least during ww2 we knew we would have more control over the future of our country if we worked together against threats rather than going it alone. We even declared war to support european nations rather than abandoning them in a crisis. But thats why veterans voted with a massive majority to join Europe. Pity we've forgotten that.
Oh mate. I have been asking this question since the referendum. Still asking. I would so happily shout from the rooftops that I have been wrong to worry about Brexit that I would take even a sliver of concrete evidence that the UK is better off out of the EU. All I seem to get is jingoistic nonsense.
This is the backward way of thinking that I completely detest. I respect you and your opinion as a poster beddy, but that view is nonsense. We fought for peace. Which the EU was founded to try and maintain. Even the leave MPs are starting to be honest about the effects now: https://www.scotsman.com/news/polit...mers-may-never-recover-from-no-deal-1-4875463 When will people wake up to the reality that this is a mental gamble, with no need for any of this? I have a colleague from Venezuela, just look at the problems they have endured there. People need to stop taking our amazing country/economy for granted.
That last sentence. You watch news bulletins and when they interview Brexiteers, you always get the same kind of response. “We didn’t need them before, we will get by without them again “. These same people who want nothing to do with Europe need to look at where their money is going, whether or not we are in the EU. How many of the big utility companies are foreign owned? 5/6? How about water companies? Telecom companies? Rail? We have been sold out, not always to the highest bidder, and have pretty much nothing left with which to generate income for the country, which is why the NHS is under threat. It’s the only thing of value that the nation still owns, from which the government can make a quick buck. I read a few days ago that the country, over the last two decades, has paid an extra £7billion, in housing benefits, to private landlords, as a direct result of the Tory policy of selling off social housing. At least, if you are paying housing benefits to someone in social housing, the money stays in the social housing loop. I’m going to bed. Depressing myself now
Spot on. People have blamed the EU for years of shambolic government. When I’m reality, leaving the EU will probably not resolve a single one of their issues, and just make things worse.
Surely you can give me one thing.... it would be a start. Truth is, that in all of this I haven’t heard one thing. Not one.
Fishing boats in Pompey... ok. That’s it. My question is a serious one, but nobody anywhere can answer it. You’ve said, “will be worse for about two years but we’ll worth it.” What will be worth it and how will it be worth it (whatever it is) and how is it going to get better?
I have indeed followed that experiment. I can confirm that my 'British' name got twice as many bites as my non british
Yes, let's have the comprehensive list of benifits. Query to Imps to. Come on chaps there must be some positives for leaving?
Fair enough Osvaldo...... I do understand how you feel and respect that. I’m guessing though in your life time as an adult you have not experienced not being in the EU. Why do you think the French...bless them.... did their utmost to keep us out-after the initial on set of the common market? Under De Gaull they were at the time enjoying being the dominating country. We could not join the common market at the outset because of our agreements for aid etc at the time. These agreements finished in 1955. We applied as we had agreed as soon as. The French said non and kept saying non !! (I’m not entirely sure what their reasons were to be honest) The truth is we did pretty well without them. Yes we.had our ups and downs agreed but non the less we began to want for nothing. What’s more we were trading with nearly all the eu markets as was albeit only on certain things. We joined a common market eventually and all did very well out of it. In truth I was against joining mainly for personal reasons. We all were doing ok until they started being more political and in my view bribing some countries to join with promises of aid. Then they decided we could only deal with certain countries etc and we went along with it !!! We put thousands of commonwealth workers out of work at the time because we could not trade directly. They in turn did not have agreements with EU. It didn’t bother our governments of the time as it wasn’t our problem! For some it took nearly 5 years to negotiate trade agreements with EU. I will never forgive the Our government or the EU for that and nothing anyone will/can say will change my mind. We can match Europe if not better than them given time. I’m not against having open boarders or the need to trade with them. However I want us to govern ourselves and not be dominated by other countries.
The foreign owners of Heathrow are being given tax breaks, thought to be worth £120 million per annum, despite having paid out, mainly to themselves, £3billion in dividends over the last 5 years. Just my opinion, but surely if you can afford to pay dividends, you can afford to pay tax. If you can only afford one of the options, then it should be tax every time.
Ok, Beddy. I accept your argument. But did you vote in the WTO elections? The House of Lords elections? Just wondered .....
So people are now trying to say the Japan deal is good (I'm not arguing there) yet trying to pin the effects of that deal down to Brexit and not the deal itself? These car manufacturers would have made these decisions anyway because there is no point in them investing in the EU (as someone seems to think above) because in 7 or so years time they will be able to ship their product in without tariffs. Why invest heavily in the EU (or UK) if they don't need to invest any longer to gain access? In Honda's case they "only" sold 125k cars to the EU last year (including us.) A perfect storm of it being a declining market for them as well as the move to electrification + the Japan deal means that they have to decide massive future investment now to turn their cars electric. Do they make them in a part of the world they are declining in sales even when they don;t need to build them anymore? or do they focus on where the market is (or is going to be?) US and China? They can serve the EU market from Japan while investing in China/US. Like Beddy. I voted out because of layers and layers of politicians/governments/intranational bodies riding roughshod over real people's lives and just saying "modernity, pfft." This is no excuse to cover for them treating people like commodities and driving wholesale migration for no other reason that to keep lab our prices down. That the EU itself is a stubborn group of very differing countries, all resistant to waking up to the modern world, all trying to defend an outdated creaking product (as a whole) trying to depend on digital money moving around to survive within an organisation that absolutely refuses to change is enough for me without any particular politicians and their dreams of federalisation. There is no point banging on about FTAs or globalisation being a good thing within Europe yet then try and pillory Brexiteers who want to develop UK specific FTAs. The Japan FTA is good? Then stop going on about Japanese car manufacturers in the UK because that FTA is the main driver of that not Brexit. Defending a block that talks about the future yet is so focused on protecting and continuing an outdated and failing base of industries within its block is crazy. The fact that it is a block at war with each other's ideals yet a body above talks about unity is even more ridiculous. I've never said we would see an immediate boost we might never get to where economists "say we would have been" but in 10 years time we will be better than what we see happening to the EU in 10 year's time because they will still be trying to pretend they are the future and they will still be trying to compete with the world with their outdated practices. I've been made redundant twice in my lifetime. Both times from the last time this problem hit us. When our outdated engineering industries drew their last breaths in the mid nineties. And then when a family business grew massively but failed to move on from being a family business. This is what I see now in Europe. An outdated model that refuses to accept that they are outdated. Relies on nice spiel. Drives people to migrate to lower costs and sells it as being a great thing for people. Nothing to do with people all to do with £/$. And has got to the point where it's refusal to accept the model is broken that it relies almost solely now and low cost consumables and theoretical money moving around. The EU will collapse on itself in the next 2 decades and while they will still be crowing about unity, solidarity and how "powerful" they are we will have a head start. A head start that hopefully (not that I am convinced) will give us a head start to properly sort this country to be able to compete in the modern world. This is why there is such a power grab going on for banking and financial services. Because the whole of the EU will have nothing else but "legal" money laundering to earn from if it continues to think it is the billy big B****x. All this talk of leavers dreaming of Empire is a totally ironic projection from EU supporters that bang on about the EU being this great trading block when it is failing. They will still be spieling out the same BS when the EU "empire" is crumbling and about to crash.
I suspect that Boeing will have one eye on Airbus. Large American companies are experts at consuming failing competitors, something I once experienced.
It's an individual perspective, it will be worth it for me to be outside of the EU. I guess many others thought the same way. This is political for me and yes the consequences for commerce are real which is why we should have stuck to the EEC format. What's so great about Brussels control?
