Southampton to ban two supporters who taunted Cardiff City fans about the death of Sala

I always knew that eventually some morons would use this tragedy to mock Cardiff....look how some Liverpool and United fans behave to each other about their respective tragedies.....very disheartened that it was at St Marys.

 

Okay so I'm going to say it, I expect this will go well

I'm uncomfortable with the tossers receiving a football banning order. Yes by all means ban from St Marys as is our right, but a FBO (which I'm not a fan of anyway) seems incredibly harsh for something which wasn't violent or even attempting to incite violence.

Again, it's an extremely ****ish thing to do n we certainly don't need 'supporters' like that, but if they receive country wide FBO's then to me it's another example of football supporters being treated differently by the law than ordinary citizens.

 

Unpleasant though this is, it isn't on the same level as racism. It could come under the banner of stupidity....I would like them to be offered the chance to apologise to avoid a banning order.

 

Football supporters are ordinary citizens. And I'm not sure how you can say making a joke out of somebodies cared for dead as not attempting to incite violence.

Get recorded doing it to somebody outside football and you can expect a restraining order from a person or group of people which is basically what an FBO is doing.

 

A lesson needs to be taught IMO.........Although agreed it was a thoughtless prank. A sincere apology to the Cardiff fans down at their ground and a couple of years ban perhaps??

Edit.... the humiliation might do them good.......

 

Yes but in your anaology a restraining order would be the same as receiving a ban from just Cardiff so it's not the same at all.

As for inciting violence is 'you fat bastard' or 'who are ya' etc. not similar then? Obviously what these guys have done is much worse morally but I'm not sure the law differentiates.

 

No, in my analogy it would be the same as a ban from all mosques for example if you were caught going to them to aggravate Muslims. You're not just banned from the vicinity of one Mosque. Lots of these types of things are blanket bans.

The law does take into account severity when dealing punishment. I would say that it's accepted that a certain degree of abuse is normal at football matches so it's actially overlooked. Police would get involved if crowds of people were shouting that kind of abuse at eachother outside the ground.

This is just one of those things that rightly isn't tolerated.

 

As Mark Twain is often (mis)quoted as having said "comedy is tragedy plus time", but doing this sort of thing on the same day as a minutes silence, shows these two up as idiots of the highest order.
It is incredibly insensitive and embarrassing for the club, they should be banned from St Marys and also have to go to Cardiff supporters fans forum and explain why they thought it was appropriate.

 

Or as Angela Carter wrote: “Comedy is tragedy that happens to other people”. Not a view I subscribe to, but as you say, the complete absence of any human empathy or sympathy of those two needs to be dealt with in a constructive way or they will only get worse.

 

And in that example you would likely need to be convicted of a criminal offence to have such punishment. That's also a very different crime; racially aggravated abuse vs a PO offence.

 

If you shout at MP's outside their house you can get banned from going near any mp's house. That's the exact same offense. This is a very common punishment if you read the news. Used in the same way as suspended sentences to stop people commiting crimes without actually punishing them and costing the taxpayer money.

And obviously. Happens all the time. Not sure what you're confused about.

 

Trouble is we are dealing with having some basic respect for others and I don't believe any apology would be sincerely made. They would be head down and sad and then have a giggle about it for years afterwards. What they did would incite bad feeling and could have turned into a lousy situation in the ground. Remember back to when those down the road interrupted the minute's silence for Ted Bates - not nice being on the receiving end and just stirred up even more hatred.

I had a gaggle of muppets in front of me on Saturday, beered up and behaving like 5 year olds. Two of them were pratting about during the minute's silence and were shocked when I slapped them on the shoulder and told them to show some effin respect. Part of the bring your twatty mates to football for £20 scheme currently in operation presumably and did they live up to it!

Sorry to rant - its Monday, we're bottom 3 and I spent Saturday afternoon surrounded by jerks. I am somewhat peeved!!
Onwards and upwards.

 

I'd argue it's different as being stood outside an MP's house as your anger is directed at a person in particular and could be construed as threatening behaviour which I'm not sure shouting at a group of people from over 50m is.

The point about me saying that the law doesn't differentiate relates to the fact that a public order offence is a public order offence. In terms of the law there's little difference between what happened Saturday and a fan going over the top shouting at the ref for example.

Do you have any links though mate? Would be interested to hear the background.

 

Does anyone know the age of the perpetrators? Being an idiot whilst young is more acceptable than doing it as an adult. Same offence, but kids are more likely to not see consequences.

 

Bad taste, inappropriate, lack of empathy etc...

But who ever gets upset over someone raising their arms like a plane needs to get a ****ing grip and give themselves a good slap.

 

I only saw a video on here but I'd guess around my age.

Old enough to know better m

 

All I can say on the matter is there is really no defence. Rather like Saints after the 90th minute of every game....

However, what I will say is that I don't see it as banter, but can see how beered up guys at a football match may.

Morally wrong, sick and in poor taste IMO, but not criminally wrong. I agree with a ban from St Mary's and maybe Cardiff, but now there is talk of Police prosecution as well. Bit OTT IMO, though I reiterate I find it sick and in very poor taste.

 

I'd imagine the Cardiff fans that they were directing it at were very angry indeed, I know I was when that Pompey "fan" disrespected the minute silence for Ted Bates.

 

Hardly the same thing is it...

A striker that had never played for the club once and probably a striker most Cardiff fans had never even heard of before he signed.

 

However, far more tragic than the death of a man who had lived a long, rich life.