Former Sunderland defender Patrick van Aanholt has blasted David Moyes and revealed how he forced through a reunion with Sam Allardyce at Crystal Palace. Van Aanholt made 95 appearances for the Black Cats between 2014 and 2017, enjoying a productive spell under Allardyce in helping the club to avoid relegation before Moyes took over. please log in to view this image Van Aanholt forced through a big-money move to Crystal Palace. The Dutchman said that he couldn’t get along with Scot Moyes, and criticised his coaching methods in an open and frank chat with fellow countryman Andy Van Der Meijde. He also revealed that Allardyce contacted him before landing the job at Palace to say that he wanted the left-back to join him at Selhurst Park, prompting Van Aanholt to try and force through the big-money move. Asked about Moyes, Van Aanholt said: “What kind of coach is that? I’ve never experienced someone like that. I’ve had two coaches that I couldn’t get along with, and he is definitely one of them. please log in to view this image Patrick van Aanholt celebrates a Sunderland goal with Sam Allardyce. “The first day that he came, the day before a match we did corners and free-kicks. “Every detail . . . . toes need to point down, arms three metres apart, give signals. All that stuff. I thought to myself, is this guy serious? but for an hour. After a while the boys started to get cold, then the lads started to get annoyed with him, with all of his rules. He put me on the bench against West Brom, then I came in and scored - I lost my mind. After that he never benched me again.” The 28-year-old eventually moved to Palace in a £14million deal after a transfer saga that dragged on throughout the 2017 January transfer window, with the player telling the club that he didn’t want to play for them anymore. Van Aanholt’s final game for the Black Cats was in a 2-0 defeat against West Brom on January 21st, where he turned in a woeful performance. However, the Dutch international says that he had been told by Allardyce to take it easy and not get injured as the two clubs had already accepted a fee for his transfer. "Are they mad paying that much for me?" Van Aanholt added: “In January my old coach, Allardyce, called me. He was about to sign (become manager) at Palace. He called me and said ‘I’m gonna sign at Palace, and you need to come with me’. “I said that I would come - I don’t like it here at Sunderland anyway. “So I went to Moyes and said that I wanted to leave. He said ‘no, you’re not leaving!’ So we argued, we had a really big argument. “I didn’t want to train anymore, I said that my family had already left. “So I called my agent and he said that this is how you should approach him - you should respond to his feelings and say that you don’t like it here anymore. “I barged in the door, I didn’t even knock. I said ‘let me go right now! I don’t want to train with you anymore I don’t want to play for you anymore’. “He said ‘you’re not leaving, you’re way too important’. “Eventually, we had an away game against West Brom, so we took a flight. My agent called me and said that they’ve accepted an offer that they couldn’t refuse, but I still had a game to play, so I called Allardyce and he said ‘do whatever you need to do tomorrow, but don’t get injured...they have already accepted the offer so you’re already mine’. Van Aanholt went on to score twice in the second half of the season for Palace and helped to keep them in the Premier League, while Sunderland were relegated under Moyes, and while he questioned how many long balls Allardyce used to ask his sides to play, the defender admits that Big Sam’s management and tactics ‘amazed him’ at times. “He does know exactly what to do to win, sometimes he amazes me,” he added. “Sometimes he says ‘play the ball into the channel’ and if we don’t we lose and then he says ‘you see! You don’t listen to me!’ and if we do what he says, we win, crazy! “If you do exactly what he says he’s the best coach, he gives days off and all. “At Sunderland I played with everything when he was coach, I had such a good connection with him, and with him it’s all about the stats (running statistics). If your stats are high he likes it. If your stats are low he puts you on the bench.” Read more from The Sunderland Echo . . . . https://www.sunderlandecho.com/spor...it-easy-in-last-game-for-sunderland-1-9581130 Differing management styles, eh ! Woody's confirming what most of us think about Moyes, isn't he
So PvA says moyes was a **** coach and manager? Tell me something I didn't already know. Bloke was a complete train wreck for us. 3 biggest regrets for the club in recent years 1. Big Sam leaving 2. Mvilla not joining 3. Moyes becoming our manager
Agree with all 3, but we don’t know what would have happened. We’d still have been hamstrung with debt and likely owned by Ellis, it’s a really hard one to judge if we’d have stabilised or are better where we are starting fresh. Absolute fact that the 3 you’ve listed caused the fall apart from a footballing perspective. Insane that we got £14million for PVA mind, I’m not sure that’s correct.
There are lots of recent regrets, all of which could be listed . . . . buying certain players like Nobby, Onionbadgy and Rodders (who should be included in the suing parents thread as one who should have jumped) for example. Our being relegated again, and Shorty going as a result and us being able/forced to lay new foundations, are something that I don't regret
Probably missing something completely obvious here, but I'm gonna ask the question anyway... Why do you call him Woody?
Depressing reading that thinking about Moyes being back in charge. Glad for the reality check that we're under Stew with Ross at the helm of the team. Even if we are in league one, it’s much better now
Surely Sam is guilty of tapping up a player ? And it can’t be acceptable to influence a player of another club as to how they should play a game
But still illegal nether the less so when somebody publicly admits it then it should be investigated, but they won't and it will continue. Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk
Yep, I can't work out if he's unaware of how he sounds or if he's being refreshingly honest but either way I agree with you. "The first day that he came, the day before a match we did corners and free-kicks. “Every detail . . . . toes need to point down, arms three metres apart, give signals. All that stuff. I thought to myself, is this guy serious? but for an hour" Can you imagine having to do something you didn't want to, for a whole hour, and only getting paid many thousands of pounds a week for it? The poor baby.
I'm fairly sure SA would have also tapped players up for us. I've always insisted that David Moyes has been the worst manager in my lifetime and he got off very lightly with people pointing the finger at Ellis Short. He spent more than any other of our managers spent in one transfer window. He bought shocking players and didn't go after the ones we needed. We never knew what tactics he was playing and the football was absolutely dire. He was left a very decent squad with a winning mentality and he tore it apart. He completely ****ed it. Yeah, I hate the bastard.
Don;t think it is in this case though Bri - SA said the offer had been accepted by SAFC so all that was left was personal terms so there's no tapping up. It's tapping up if a manager says he's interested in you when no offer has been made or accepted
He's saying though that SA contacted him before he got the Palace job to say he wanted him to follow him there. Suppose he could therefore argue that if he didn't have a managers job, then he couldn't be tapping up.
