Off Topic Tell me in your own words why we need to win the League

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moreinjuredthanowen said:
b) should a club be limited in its expenditure by revenue numbers .. YES.
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To argue against this means a billionaire comes in and says "I want to massively increase the expenses of my club but I refuse to increase its ability to honour those expenses"

And then you say "oh okay [HASHTAG]#seemslegit[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#whatcouldpossiblygowrong[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#fitandproperowner[/HASHTAG]"
 
saintKlopp said:
Something needed to be done to stem the flow of outside money coming to a select few though - and still does. Can you think of a better system?
If the problem is with the practice rather than the principle, then surely that can be fixed rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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Well, I don't think FFP does too much to stem the money, it just drives it underground. It encourages clubs to be devious and twist the rules.

Essentially FFP is unenforceable and the only ones it hurts are those who play by the rules.

As for, do I have a better idea, not really, but I don't believe in passing rules that you can't enforce either. That just rewards the underhanded.

I also question the futility of blocking outside money. The whole FFP came too late. Chelsea and City had already changed the landscape and PSG were right behind them. Blocking FFP just means those neuveau rich/big clubs get to stay on top.

Besides, some will accuse Liverpool of being early recipients of outside money decades ago.

Trying to stop outside money is like trying to stop cars and go back to horse and cart. We may not like it, but it's too late to turn back now.

I do wish the big money, buying the title, didn't start all those years ago, that we could put Roman back in the bottle but it's too late, it's part of Football now.
 
Actually, I take that back, I do have a suggestion. UEFA could "tax" all transfers that are above £X million by 50%. The money "taxed" then get even redistributed to all the other clubs in that club's division.

If you try "buying" the league you end up making all your rivals richer. This, buying a league becomes harder.

£X million could be set at twice the median transfer cost from the previous season for that division.
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
My view:

a) FFP is largely meaningless even form the point of view of stopping clubs jump the queue.. why? wolves... it could be argued that over a 5 year period a club can grow very significantly and break into the cosy top clubs. The revenue in prem is just so huge.

b) should a club be limited in its expenditure by revenue numbers .. YES. whats happening is 10 other clubs try to compete with city and we see teams over spend and go bust. Whats happening now is the league is so awash with money that a lot of clubs are just ticking over now and their owners are pocketing cash left and right dodgily. the league is now really noncompetitive outside the top 6. Even those spending like everton cant get close.

c) there are only so many billionaires who can afford to literally wash a billion down a drain. The city model is not replicated many places. The reason is quite simple.

d) the giant clubs with giant revenues are not really willing to spunk 200mil on neymar. Its the mad clubs. now... barca did spunk 100 of dembele and 146mil on coutinho... but they had the cash in as well as revenues...

The real issue for me is city can go spend 50mil on every position, not many clubs can turn down the fee for keepers, full backs etc so they have driven fees sky high... the lfc get criticised for matching them to get genuine world class players in based on selling another player... yet city can spunk on full backs, centre halves, keepers etc etc and not an eyelid is batted. And Chelsea get away with it completely without a word said,
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You say FFP is meaningless, that might be so but while it's a current Uefa rule it has to be followed, if not the club breaking the rule gets a fine and a transfer ban etc, but until or if the rule is abolished any club found guilty of it deserves punishment.
The thing at the moment that's wrong with it is there's no consistency by Uefa in implementing it, City have already been found guilty of it in the past and punished for it, if they are found guilty a 2nd time they are liable to pay the remainder of their €60m fine plus a more severe punishment.
Basically if it's proved they broke FFP since their last offence it means people at their club have conspired to cheat other clubs at home and in European competition, if so throw the book at them, if they didn't break the rule they just move on.
 
Plus some forget we were once a club owned by two absolute planks who almost drove us to the ground as it was a leveraged buyout mascarading as billionares takeover.

What FSG is proving is you can clean up the books, form a good acquisition strategy and buy incrementally to improve the squad. Why is that so hard for some to accept? If billionares want in, they can be allowed but all the money pumped in outside their true revenues should be classified as interest free loans until the club can absorb and payback that loan. If the club cannot payback, they cannot claim the money. Then we will see how many are still interested. All other young businesses outside football have to go through graft to get to where they are so football clubs should not be an exception.
 
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Clubs need protection from alleged billionaires who exploit them for their own ego or to benefit other business pursuits.

Look how quickly Ashley and Moshiri got bored of their clubs and cut off money for transfers.

Abramovich lasted a while but cut off all funds the second he was asked to prove his money was [HASHTAG]#legit[/HASHTAG]
 
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Lamborini said:
Plus some forget we were once a club owned by two absolute planks who almost drove us to the ground as it was a leveraged buyout mascarading as billionares takeover.

What FSG is proving is you can clean up the books, form a good acquisition strategy and buy incrementally to improve the squad. Why is that so hard for some to accept? If billionares want in, they can be allowed but all the money pumped in outside their true revenues should be classified as interest free loans until the club can absorb and payback that loan. If the club cannot payback, they cannot claim the money. Then we will see how many are still interested. All other young businesses outside football have to go through graft to get to where they are so football clubs should not be an exception.
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We went from the brink of administration to PL title favourites in less than a decade, all while making a profit.

[HASHTAG]#noexcuses[/HASHTAG] for childish billionaires who want to take [HASHTAG]#nomarks[/HASHTAG] to the top of the league and do it in a season or two.
 
astro said:
We went from the brink of administration to PL title favourites in less than a decade, all while making a profit.

[HASHTAG]#noexcuses[/HASHTAG] for childish billionaires who want to take [HASHTAG]#nomarks[/HASHTAG] to the top of the league and do it in a season or two.
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It wouldn't quite be accurate to say that.

We didn't turn a profit every single year since 2010. We had massive cash injections to keep us going and we didn't have FFP to prevent it.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...verpools-finances-fsg-years-assessed-14353937

that gives you an idea. we were not in profit til 2013/14. I'm not bothered to copy and paste numbers right now.

The facts are we are where we are due to massive revenues (not solely down to FSG commercial wing but a significant amount of good work. the tv deals are a big part and jurgen Klopp.

Some folks on here want to lick an incompetent's balls but its actually Hogan and Gordon who's delivered this off field and klopp whos made a team for us.

Man city took years to build what they have too but they have top top people running that club.
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
It wouldn't quite be accurate to say that.

We didn't turn a profit every single year since 2010. We had massive cash injections to keep us going and we didn't have FFP to prevent it.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...verpools-finances-fsg-years-assessed-14353937

that gives you an idea. we were not in profit til 2013/14. I'm not bothered to copy and paste numbers right now.

The facts are we are where we are due to massive revenues (not solely down to FSG commercial wing but a significant amount of good work. the tv deals are a big part and jurgen Klopp.

Some folks on here want to lick an incompetent's balls but its actually Hogan and Gordon who's delivered this off field and klopp whos made a team for us.

Man city took years to build what they have too but they have top top people running that club.
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FFP doesn't demand profit every year, just a sensible plan to avoid excessive losses

Revenue increased every year under FSG

We did have FFP to consider while going from [HASHTAG]#midtable[/HASHTAG] to [HASHTAG]#topoftheleague[/HASHTAG]
 
astro said:
FFP doesn't demand profit every year, just a sensible plan to avoid excessive losses

Revenue increased every year under FSG

We did have FFP to consider while going from [HASHTAG]#midtable[/HASHTAG] to [HASHTAG]#topoftheleague[/HASHTAG]
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you said we made a profit. I'm showing we didn't.

futher over 3 years we accumulated a huge loss for the time until 2013/14


the point being fsg had to stabilise the club and fpp doesn't take that into consideration. we were allowed to write off 50mil of stadium nonsense and that helped but the losses being made were not only that
 
Liverpool set to become first football club to break €100m-profit barrier thanks to Champions League run and sale of Philippe Coutinho to Barcelona
  • Liverpool could be about to become first club to post profit of more than €100m
  • The Reds will have improved income with their Champions League run last year
  • The sale of Philippe Coutinho to Barcelona for £145million will also boost profits
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-football-club-break-100m-profit-barrier.html
 
888NabyKeita8 said:
Liverpool set to become first football club to break €100m-profit barrier thanks to Champions League run and sale of Philippe Coutinho to Barcelona
  • Liverpool could be about to become first club to post profit of more than €100m
  • The Reds will have improved income with their Champions League run last year
  • The sale of Philippe Coutinho to Barcelona for £145million will also boost profits
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-football-club-break-100m-profit-barrier.html
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Wouldn't have predicted that 3 or 4 years ago. <laugh>

Even further back it shows what incompetent fools Hicks and Gillette were.
 
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