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The Breakfast Debate (Thur 27th Dec)

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Dec 27, 2018.

  1. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member
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    Good Morning Everyone

    There were scenes of jubilation yesterday at Elland Road as Leeds came from behind, in injury time to steal all three points.

    When I say steal, I'm not sayin they didn't deserve the win, the stats were highly stacked in Leeds favour but coming from a position of defeat to winning the game, all in injury time is something only associated in fairy tales.




    I'm sure we have all seen the free kick!

    Was Bailey Peacock Farrell unlucky or clumsy?




    Who are Leeds top three players for the first half of the season?




    Was it a penalty or not?




    In a couple of days time, Leeds entertain Hull!

    Which players, if any would you rest?
     
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  2. ristac

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    Morning all.

    In reverse order I don’t believe we can afford to rest anyone unless we have a player returning from injury, talking of which; would Roofe have been playing the final few minutes of both the last two games had Bamford been available?

    In regards to the penalty it it was against us we’d say another one not given.

    My top three no particular order, Phillips, Pontus, Roofe and it felt cruel leaving Pablo out, Phillips has also played every game including cup ones hasn’t he?

    I think the scenes at the end show many are starting to believe this is our year after the last two games.
     
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  3. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Morning all. Now that the initial euphoria has died down somewhat, it’s a little easier to be more objective about remainder of season. I’ve read the articles and done the maths re what’s required in second half of season. Reading Phil hays article this morning served as a bit of a reality check. He reminded us again of how Bielsas teams have always collapsed in second part of seasons. Squad needs additions in January if only to help when some of our small squad get injured, lose form or tire in coming months. Fit Replacements for Saiz, Harrison and Roberts are a must, ones gone and although Harrison had a good game yesterday, his good games don’t come around near often enough. Lastly, we may well get away with bpfs errors this season but I don’t see him as a pl keeper unless he can reduce his unforced errors. Remember, he’s having many games with little to do and that certainly won’t be the case if moved up a division. Club have had long enough to line up a keeper at this stage. Finally our league position and rising reputation should make it much easier to encourage players to sign. A team with one foot in the pl, playing quality football in a packed stadium should be a huge draw to any player looking for a move
     
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  4. Doc

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    Morning all :emoticon-0148-yes: and hope you are sobering up...... Except Shaks

    Ristac has it about right regarding the 3 players and 2 of those were never going to be in my starting line-up in the Summer as I expected both moved on. Wow what a turn around for all the players having a genius in charge certainly shows us fans how much we know.

    Lots has been said about BPF and although he's young, he saved a pen to give us 3 points I still believe his position is wrong at times. I believe someone asked stats to look and see how many shots on target he has saved, what % of goals/shots ratio he has as the questioner supposed that he has less to do than most but has a bad record of stopping on target shots. I will see if I can find his answer. I hope we bring in a keeper and like Mike I prefer Westwood to Darlow but sneaking up on the rails is Fabro from Fulham as Ranieri doesn't like a player who's good with his feet and play it out from the back.

    We dont have the luxury of being able to rest anyone and I expect Bielsa is aware that if he wins the game he goes down in history as the last time we won 8 on the bounce was back in 1931 as jammy will witnessed it. <cracker>
     
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  5. w.c.dukenfield

    w.c.dukenfield Well-Known Member

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    Morning all. All outfield players make plays in a game that on reflection they will feel they might have done better. If critics of BPF analysed all players like they analyse him you would think we were facing relegation.
     
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  6. Doc

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    Here are some stats so we can all make our mind up.

    3 keepers comparison

    BPF saved 69% of 70 shots on target
    Randolph saved 81% of 77 shots on target
    Johnstone saved 72% of 106 shots on target.

    So WBA have a crap defence but Jonno still saved 72% of all those 106 on target
    Boro have half decent defence similar to our but Randolph saved 81% of shots on target
    BPF needs to improve
     
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  7. leeds60

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    Good Morning to Matt and co from a dull Bardsey
    Again I failed to get a connection all I got was some sex game!
    I have watched the highlights and again PF gets beat low on his right hand side sorry but we need a keeper now
    Westwood had a good game yesterday and can get down on his right hand side
    This could be one L of a season Liverpool Champions Leeds promoted along with L.uton and Lincoln might be worth a yankee bet Matt
    With 170m at stake we need to bolster up our small squad Reach ticks my boxes as he can score vital goals and a CB that can also play RB must be a proirty

    Finally Jackson Irvine who scored 2 goals yesterday for Hull will be away in Aus on Sat
     
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  8. Gessa

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    Morning Matt and all

    Yes it should have saved it.

    Yes it was clumsy, if it have happened up the other end, I'd ave wanted a penalty, whether it would have been given in that scenario is another matter.
    In no particular order Roofe Jansson Phillips

    I'd bring Shackleton back in for Ayling, who's played 2 games in a short period after a lay off and will probably be feeling it,and as been less than convincing in either game, Shackleton did nothing wrong playing there
     
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  9. kiwi

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    Agree that he needs to improve in certain areas (positioning, dealing with crosses, judging the flight of the ball from range), but stats like these are absolutely useless for comparison.

    For all you know, Johnstone’s saves are all daisy cutters from 18 yards with perfect visibility, whereas BPF could’ve faced worldie efforts like Townsend’s vs City last week... (I’m aware he hasn’t, but I’m just making the point that these stats provide absolutely nothing).

    We all know where BPF needs work, it’s up to him and the coaching staff now.
     
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  10. 2020VisionofLeeds

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    Top of the morning to you all.

    Top of the league too.
     
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    I do not dispute BPF makes mistakes as all goalies do. My point is he is a young goalkeeper. If we sign the best goalkeeper in the world he would still make mistakes.
     
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  12. Doc

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    Looking at the table I believe Leeds and the Blades are punching above their weight

    We are the only clubs in the top 13 (omit Bristol 12th) who havent had either recent Prem experiece, parachute payments or big investment. Hull are also in 15th, so I reckon this can only be down to management as all the rest have cash, big money signings, some prem quality players or big wages. So Bielsa and Wilder should be applauded
     
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  13. bucks_is_leeds

    bucks_is_leeds Jonny big spuds
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    Morning all. I agree with Eire signings need to come in as we are only half way there <ok>
     
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  14. w.c.dukenfield

    w.c.dukenfield Well-Known Member

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    Mike if we had signed all the players you have suggested this past two years the players would outnumber the crowd.
     
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    We got 10m from the yanks
     
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    This.

    Randolph is a good keeper but he’s made some absolute howlers this season. Had a mare against villa i saw. He also has a land of the giants defence in front of him that take all crosses, and restrict clear cut chances.

    We play a high press and play out of defence. We give fewer chances away but they are better ones. Also, it brings concentration into it.

    Having said all of that, there have been mistakes from BPF and can’t be hidden from.
     
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    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    I’d swap Randolph for BPF any day. A proven good keeper and excellent for Ireland. BPF is all about potential so far
     
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    Never ceases to amaze me that when the older players make mistakes/aren’t up to scratch, fans insist the youth team players are promoted because ‘at least they’ll have some pride’ etc.

    Yet when those same youth team players make a mistake, the very same fans scream for more experienced replacements.

    You can’t have it both ways.
     
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  19. ristac

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    You didn't say if you won it? ;)
     
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  20. ristac

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    I probably agree with all of this although I don't see fitness causing an issue, I would have thought once you have reached a desired fitness level it would be easy to maintain it and Bamford, Pablo, Ayling, Cooper, Berardi, Douglas and Roofe have all had at least a month out injured so they have had rests, Pontus didn't start the season so he too hasn't maybe had as many games as some.

    I'm excited by Clarke, Bielsa seems to be slowly introducing him, Bamford and Izzy Brown might be like two new signings if they ever get fit enough and I would like to see an experienced keeper join, I get the arguments for analyzing every young player and position but a mistake by the keeper is always going to be magnified and either way, we need a keeper to at least be pushing BPF
     
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