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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Mostly in the Tory party but even you know that they wouldn't dare go against the will of the people. Sadly the reason Brexit is being stalled is because of the EU and the enemy within. Remoaners that cannot except the democratic voice of the people and have tried every trick in the book to derail the process. And of course the EU sitting watching and laughing at us. It will all come out in the wash. Every day more and more people want out of the EU and hopefully we can get rid of the weak May and put in a strong Brexitier.
    I remember the Farage speech to the EU


    He needs to be knighted.
     
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  2. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    17.4 million kicking off? <laugh>

    I want my Bwexit!
     
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    bobmid Well-Known Member

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    Please don't kick off with me Ellers
     
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    bobmid Well-Known Member

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    The reason brexit is being stalled is down to the incompetence of our government. Of course the EU are having a giggle, look at the state of our politics. The party negotiating the withdrawal are a shambles and the whole world is watching.
     
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    We had a referendum where the PM told the country that voting leave meant leaving the customs union and single market. Parliament then voted overwhelmingly to leave the customs union and single market.
    Now the establishment is wriggling on a hook trying desperately to keep us in.
    It's a betrayal of democracy the likes of which this country has never seen before in modern times.
     
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    QPR Oslo Well-Known Member

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    Saw a recent Opinion Poll that said the respondents knowing more now about what Brexit actually means, would vote 53% to stay in the EU, 35% Leave, 12% undecided. The government shouId be listening to them now and not the vote result of 2,5 years ago when many voters did not know what they were voting for.
     
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    This for those that haven't yet grasped the mechanics of all this -
    The democratic vote had nothing to do with democracy - Cameron allowed a binary vote of such looney proportions, simply to further his own power for a few more terms.
    The vote had nothing to do about giving in to the will of the people - let's get that one out of the way.
    The idiot - who should be lambasted far more than even Blair - then ran a totally incompetent and boring campaign, with no grasp of reality - simply on fear, in other words coming accross as a pompous prat saying I dare you not to do the right thing. We all know how the Brits of old - and I mean that in a positive manner - were going to react to that.
    The Leave Campaign? - Come on, the buses, the Millions upon Millions of Rumanians and Syrians, take control of the borders we already have control of - in cold light of day, even the most ardent leaver will admit that people who voted due to that campoaign only, were at best misguided.

    On the other side, did the EU see this coming - did they ****!!!
    They were and still are over complacent, pompous aresholes who needed a damn good thumping - fully, fully agreed - a very, very strong % of Europeans feel that, not just the Brits. Was this the way to do it?

    Perhap it could have beens, if there was a great set up in the UK to manage this - who could have thought that wouldn't be the case heh?

    Democracy? - Don't make me laugh, where is the democracy in Big Business creaming it all off with so little trickling down?
    Democracy? - Where the very, very few that make it from the "lower ranks of society" are lauded as proof that anyone can be anything!! Bullshit
    Democracy? - Whereby austerity was imposed on you all for no God damn reason than to ensure the rich got richer - has austerity worked? - Did you all vote for that one?
    Democracy? - Where the politicians on all sides will cjhange their "values and mantra" at a stroke if it gets them in power for 4/5 years.

    You quote democracy - I'm afraid the US, UK and yes also most of Europe have long since lost the foggiest on what that is.
    It's all about the ****ing money for the conglomorates, all about the overwhelming feeling of power for the politicians and for the middle to lower - in general, go **** yourselves.

    Quote what you want in terms of leaving the ****, condescending EU ****s (alot of them are) in Brussels - but it ain't democracy.
    Quote what you want about leaving a union of people which are your neighbours and have most in common with you on values (most of them do have) - but it aint ****ing democracy.

    Go **** yourselves - Isn't that your own mantra?
    An attitude that does you credit - suggest you keep to that one, leave Democracy out of this particular lark.

    Ellers - Check that shed again, you know it makes sense.

    Thank **** we can all rant about ****wit McccCCCCLLLLaren on Monday!! :)
     
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    I saw an opinion poll that said different to that... move on
     
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    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Oslo are you British and live abroad? You're not one of those people who don't even live in this country yet you tell us how we should vote are you? You are not an ex pat moaning about how your life will change because someone who lives here wanted a change are you?
     
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    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Yes they did it said leave or stay and the majority said leave....Get over it we are leaving fella.
    AS for the 2.4 years it took Canada 7 to make a deal so we are still doing good time.
     
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    Oh Ellers, Ellers - one doth think that thou doth not liketh the cut of my gib!!

    You're not reading too carefully though are you? - check the shed, there might be an old Geography book from Mrs. Hudson there.
    You're not reading too carefully - At no juncture whatsoever have I written who should vote for what - just calling out Bullshit.
    You're not reading too carefully - I'm one of the fat cat ****s that is making a personal mint out of uncertainty - never trade in currencies as I have little to no control over them, and feel that ****s that play that market are just that, ****s, as they couldn't give a **** about the ramifications.

    Wanted a change? - Is that what it now boils down to? - That's very naughty of me to pick up on that - but I do know you like a little "wordy battle"

    I think my position on this has been clarified in 2 posts - if you are so interested, reread them over a nice bottle of Brunello, I'm in a virtual world, sending you a bottle right now :)

    Democracy, Democracy - come and get your Democracy - Buy one get one free!!
    Let them **** themselves - where's me Union Jack, that no one lets me fly anymore?
    ****ing foreigners - taking our jobs and women!!
    We're doomed, We're doomed - let's fight for our Democracy!!

    N.B - Never, and I mean never, confuse my literary excellence and way with words with Oslo!!!
    FYI - Oslo is a tad more colloquial as all he's concerned with and reads is how the Pound is to the NOK!!
    I love everything that London gave me - and will never denegrate it, doesn't matter how much Stone Island costs in Selfridges now!!!
     
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  14. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    I love all the 'Brexit stole my future" placards. Maybe the muppets should take note of this....
    please log in to view this image
     
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    Brexit voters who now profess they truly voted for a hard Brexit and no deal - pushing the "restart-your-economy" button - can moan all they like about "the enemy within" and how their dream has been sabotaged by the establishment. That's all it is - moaning. The "enemy within" is just a bunch of influential or well-placed people (not you and me, in other words, and not Remainers, either) with vested interests or personal beliefs who don't support any vision unless they benefit personally. They're supported by another bunch of well-placed people who are incompetent and being undermined by the first lot.

    Follow the money if you want to find who will actually benefit from the chaos of the Brexit we're facing today. It's not ordinary people. It's wealthy, secretive people who don't want the spotlight of public scrutiny upon them.

    Don't play.
     
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    Say no more! Stop whinging about it then and accept what May is doing. You voted for it!!
     
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    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Listen 'secret remoaner', your last statement proves exactly how little you know. If you actually understood anything you would know that May is not implementing what people voted for. Leave means leave not half in.
     
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    Parliament voted to leave the EU, not on any form of leaving. That will come when there is deal that there can be a 'meaningful vote' on.

    What Cameron said was just Project Fear.
     
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    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    I think we will end up with a Canada + 20 deal. May is fighting on too many fronts. The Brexit boys will vote this latest deal down as will DUP and most Labour/SNP. It will never go back to the people as that will be a betrayal. The Tories are planning to get rid of May and bring in a Brexit leader who will go for a trade deal which most will accept. The EU will cave in a some point (Europeans normally do (business)). Germany wants a deal as do the rest of the EU so something will be sorted at the 11th hour. All this talk of second referendums/peoples votes is just fantasy. It's clutching at straws, nothing else.

    As I said a long time ago, this is what will kill the EU.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/19/italy-budget-threatens-the-entire-eu-project-strategist-says.html
     
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    Yes but you voted for it!! You knew that surely???
     
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