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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    They're saying that Warren's test isn't accurate, but the average American has twice that of Warren?
    How did they calculate what Warren's got, in that case? Then, how did they calculate what the average American has?
     
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  2. The RDBD

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    The claim appears to be that when profiling sample USA
    denizens in the databases :

    - there is a typical degree of confidence range that the
    samples show Meso-American ancestry

    - and that Warren shows half the lower bound of that
    confidence range
     
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  3. PleaseNotPoll

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    Which the same people are saying is irrelevant, as it's not the DNA that they're looking for.
     
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  4. The RDBD

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    If the DNA is they are "looking for" is North American native,
    then as previously stated, the DNA databases allegedly are
    not statistically significant enough.

    So the claim is that (for Meso-American ancestry) :

    1. Warren as a probability range of [LW.UW]
    2. Yer average USA denizen has a range of [LA,UA]
    3. LW = LA / 2.

    So whatever "Indian" Warren is claiming she is, at worst
    she is half as likely to be so compared to the average.
     
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  5. PleaseNotPoll

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    You're saying that they don't have the DNA database to check her heritage and then making a claim about that heritage in the next sentence.
    If the DNA database can't give accurate results for North American natives, then what relevance does the Central American DNA have?
    She's never claimed to have any heritage from there, has she?
     
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  6. The RDBD

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    Because the DNA test is allegedly giving the probability of MESO-American ancestry.
    The Meso-American peoples include those of continental central America.
     
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  7. PleaseNotPoll

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    Which she isn't claiming in her ancestry.
     
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  8. The RDBD

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    So by definition she has proof of nothing.

    It would be akin to me claiming that a test proves I have an
    [L.U] probability range of being English, and then being told :

    the population database did not have enough English samples
    so we tested against a population database of Nordic/
    Germanic/UK DNA, and that is what the [L.U] range refers to.
     
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  9. PleaseNotPoll

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    You can easily say that she has no proof of her heritage, beyond family stories. That's fine.
    The previous statements were all clearly contradictory, though.
     
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  10. littleDinosaurLuke

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    "Abuse" is a subjective concept.
    There are so many high profile idiots in the public eye due to TV's love affair with "reality". These people are in our faces all the time and occupy much space on social media.
    Is calling Katie Hopkins, Kym Marsh, countless "singers", Essex inhabitants et al moronic ****wits abuse or fair comment?
     
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  11. Definitely the latter. In fact, you'd be failing in your civic duty NOT to abuse them - so effectively can be one and the same <laugh>
     
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  12. The RDBD

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    That is not what the aggro over the test results are about.
    The consistent info is that the [L,U] range for a USA denizen
    such as Warren being of North American native ancestry are :

    1. Not great, because of the size of the range in her results

    2. Compounded by the fact that the "native American" in terms of the
    DNA database size means Meso-American, not North American

    3. The typical expected value for L in this case is twice the value that
    Warrens' test shows


    So to a scientist/engineer such as me, I seriously doubt the premise
    that Warren is of North American native ancestry. YMMV.
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    ...and now "horseface" is trending because the Orange Overlord used the word when tweeting about Stormy Daniels, failing to see the obvious self-own that involves.

    Funnily enough, that failed gameshow contestant who filed an insolvency agreement last month is managing a self-own of her own by trying to say that means she can no longer be referred to by that phrase, not only drawing attention to the fact that she was while also giving plenty of reason to think of other terms she can be rightly described with
     
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    They say the only difference between Al Capone and Trump was Capone killed people. Hold it right there. Trump is responsible for the post hurricane deaths in Puerto Rico because he sat on his fat butt and did nothing.
     
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    That and people have seen Capone's tax return...
     
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    Trump rep having dinner in Saudi. Leg of journalist perhaps?
     
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    So what we should be doing as a society is trying to see what reasonable measures we can take to better balance our continued practice of sexuality with our continued desire to enact civilized ideals, which not only oppose sexuality, but which were created as a reaction against it. What we have instead are people who seem unaware that we have the rule of law for a reason, and the reason is that trying people without due process in the court of public opinion based on whoever feels like saying anything amounts to barbarism. We would all like to lessen, and indeed to eliminate the incidences of sex related violence, and for that matter of violence in general. However, the idea that the solution is to ditch the rule of law is so mind-numbingly stupid it shocks even me.
     
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  18. deedub93

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    Too true. Walk away and have a clean Brexit. Fanny-fiddling somewhere in between will tie our hands and give us the worst of both worlds.

    A clean Brexit will go one of Two Ways:

    An astounding success, where the pound falls so far the Captains of Industry can take advantage of low labour cost and take on the world again. Unemployment will fall close to zero (I said close, there are always some that are unemployable), house prices will collapse meaning the younger generation will be able to afford houses, and anyone that can, leaves the country because they can earn more in relative terms abroad. The rich will get richer and the poor will remain poor, that's capitalism. Mid earners will be happier.

    or

    It all goes tits-up and we have to go Hand in Cap to the EU begging to rejoin. There will be a few Euro-fart-boxes who will be anti us rejoining but the majority will use us as an example to others on what happens to a country that leaves and welcome us back, but on their terms. It will signal the end of the political careers of Grease-Bogg, Bojo and Our Nige-'the man of the people', and we will settle will middle of the road kind of Christian Democrats. In other words will will become European. Something that we have never managed despite being members of the EU since 1975. Some Labour, most Liberal and remainer Tories will join together and form the Government. The pound will still fall and we will have a sound basis, with cheap labour, to rebuild a sensible economy.

    I prefer the second option, as any deal is a bad deal and any deal will be worse than either of the other two options. The pound will remain over priced, house prices will remain high, private landlords will continue to rip off the younger generation, the bickering between leavers and remoaners will continue, and the country will be fekked.
     
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  19. The RDBD

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    After refined analysis (as I stated) I arrived at the following :

    Clean break with the EU.

    1. On day 1 the UK states that for now it will impose zero tariffs
    on EU imports. What the EU decides to do on their side is their
    business.

    2. The UK will as of now, start to renegotiate trade deals with all
    nations of the world. The day 1 settings will be (for each nation N) :
    the current :

    - EU deals, if N negotiated with the EU
    - UK/N deal, if trade with N was negotiated outside of the EU
    - WTO rules, if none of the above holds


    #1 shows the UK is prepared to be the "bigger man" regarding
    potential tariff wars with the EU.

    On #2, I have been informed that nations such as Canada have
    already approached the UK and said they are ok with doing this,
    and then the new deals can begin from there.

    Some nations make decide to front up and decide they do not
    want this (my understanding is that some nations in Africa - of
    which they could be Commonwealth members - are really screwed
    over on some industry sectors by the EU) . In which case they
    would have to switch to WTO rules on day 1 (which may or may
    not be far worse overall) ,

    If the EU agrees to #2, then the UK should be courteous and
    cough up the 40bn quid promised in principle to fund the
    future financial needs of the contemptible EU politnik machine
    (the pension pots of their politniks etc) .

    If they reject this, then they can immediate add a big red 40bn
    to their balance sheet in addition to the 9bn odd pa they are
    already losing.


    "A clean Brexit will go one of Two Ways: ..."

    Or anywhere in the spectrum of those extremes.
     
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  20. The RDBD

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    The Kavanaugh circus was a joke.
    Time will tell as to whether it has sufficiently enraged partisan
    voters to turn out and vote either way in the USA mid-terms.

    The bigger concern is that according to some polling done
    since then, the USA public support of the #metoo stuff is
    nosediving now (as if the McGowan/Argento freak show was
    not already bad enough for this) .
     
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