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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

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  2. Get out

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  1. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    No, Stan'll get mugged by a librarian outside an arts and crafts club:emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  2. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    Damned if they do and damned if they don't. This sums up the conundrum perfectly from both sides...

     
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  3. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    nike dont care about black lives
    they care about market share

    nike dont care about kapernic??
    they care about shifting shoes

    nike dont care if you burn the shoes you paid for
    you will probably buy another pair if they are a dollar cheaper than adidas


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    Pay Asian workers fair wages, World Cup sportswear giants Adidas, Nike told
    By Asian Correspondent Staff | 14th June 2018 | @ascorrespondent
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    (File) A worker irons a print onto a shirt in a Indonesian textile factory. Source: Kzenon/Shutterstock
    AHEAD of the start of the 2018 World Cup in Russia this weekend, campaigners have urged global sportswear manufacturers Adidas and Nike to pay workers at their supplier factories in Asia a fair wage.
    The Clean Clothes Campaign (CCC) released a report this week which claimed that workers in countries like Indonesia, Cambodia and Vietnam, where most of these companies’ products are produced, have seen share of the price of a pair of shoes drop by 30 percent between 1995 and 2017.
    In the three nations, garment workers’ average salaries are 45 to 65 percent below the so-called “living wage” that would allow them to cover their families’ basic needs, said the global coalition of trade unions, workers and human rights groups.
    SEE ALSO: Five years after deadly factory fire, Bangladesh’s garment workers are still vulnerable
    “The brands decided to spend their money on football players rather than on the workers stitching their shirts and shoes,” the CCC said in a statement.
    Adidas and Nike are the manufacturers for 22 out of the 32 teams competing in this year’s World Cup tournament. The German team alone is being paid more than $75 million per year under a contract negotiated with Adidas in 2016 – the largest such contract in football history.
    Responding to the report, German manufacturer Adidas said it adhered to safe working conditions and fair wages throughout its supply chains, and obliged suppliers to pay at least the minimum wage required by law.
    “The average monthly take-home wage of production workers in the facilities Adidas works with in Indonesia is currently well above the current minimum wage,” an Adidas spokeswoman said.
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    A fan takes a selfie with Germany’s Mats Vatutinki at the CSKA Sports Center in Moscow, Russia on June 13, 2018 Hummels Source: Reuters/ Axel Schmidt
    US brand Nike said its suppliers must pay their employees at least the local minimum wage or prevailing wage, including premiums for overtime worked and legally mandated benefits.
    “We remain invested in conversations with governments, manufacturers, NGOs, brands, unions, and factory workers to support long-lasting, systemic change,” a Nike spokeswoman said.
    Much of Adidas’ and Nike’s sportswear is made in Indonesia, where 80 percent of workers in the garment sector are women and some make as little as $102 a month while others do not earn the legal minimum wage, according to the CCC’s report.
    SEE ALSO: Slave labour at Ivanka Trump’s clothing factory in Indonesia? Not really
    “We demand a new protocol on wages. Brands should change their buying practices because they affect the working conditions,” said Raja, an Indonesian trade unionist in a statement released by CCC.
    “Knowing that the labour cost of a t-shirt produced in Indonesia is hardly 1 percent of the price, it seems logical to me that the labour cost can be increased a bit, right? But the sportswear brands until now refuse to engage.”
    Weekly wages should be enough to meet workers’ basic needs and afford them extra income to improve their lives in order to avoid them remaining “trapped in a cycle of poverty”, according to Martin Buttle of the Ethical Trading Initiative (ETI).
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    Source: Clean Clothes Campaign
    “Brands like Nike and Adidas need to take their responsibilities seriously … and pay suppliers a fair price,” Buttle told the Thomson Reuters Foundation. “Failure to do that can often result in low pay and poor conditions.”
    Having signed an agreement in 2011 on trade unions’ rights in Indonesia, Nike and Adidas should now follow up on their pledges to address job security and living wages, the CCC said.
    “This is a longstanding problem of poverty level wages … brands are squeezing the prices which then has an impact on the workers,” said Anannya Bhattacharjee of the Asia Floor Wage Alliance (AFWA), a group which represents garment workers.
    SEE ALSO: Women, ethnic minorities most likely to lose jobs to robots
    “(Soccer) is an inspirational sport but what everybody needs to remember is that the labour that goes behind the scenes to clothe the inspirational sportspeople is extreme exploitation and agony,” Bhattacharjee said. “That is what we need to stop.”
    According to the International Labour Organisation, automated factory models being introduced by Nike and Adidas could threaten between 64 and 88 percent of industry jobs in Indonesia, Vietnam and Cambodia by 2050.
    The sector currently provides for more than 9 million jobs in Southeast Asia, most of which are held by women.
    Additional reporting from Reuters.
     
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  4. awjm

    awjm Well-Known Member

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    I'm saddened to see you outnumber on your sensible arguments. I'm sad to see that this board contains several people with ignorant, racist ideas. I'm also sad to see those people cannot even see their views as racist, or at least ignorant.
     
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  5. TootingExcess

    TootingExcess Well-Known Member

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    Are there two Goldhawk Road's now? I'm sure you've explained this before Goldie, but I've been busy and not been on the site much this year.
     
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    Wow!!
    Care to name names or explain why certain posts have been racist?
     
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  7. Staines R's

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    Are you calling me a racist ? My Mrs will love that one :)
     
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  8. DT’s Socks

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    I honestly believe that all human beings are born with a racist gene. It’s having the courage to admit that imo

    Of course most of the time these are suppressed as they should be

    However I believe it’s layered and hidden

    A modern definition of the word maybe puts in our minds someone who actively pursues their feelings in the open with the other word that is misused... hate. I certainly don’t know anyone who is like this but I question the actual understanding of racism

    Is a racist what ?
     
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    She told me you were a grapist
     
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    She’s called me a lot worse :)
     
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  11. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    Problems with my password on my tablet, Tooting, so I have a different one to my pc. That and my split personality:emoticon-0100-smile
     
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    So the two Goldies are the same ?
    I noticed the different avatars last night and like most things it seems....I was confused :)
     
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  13. GoldhawkRoad

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    You're confused. I speak to the other one every day and can't get any sense from him!
     
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  14. GoldhawkRoad

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    Rev Jasper Williams, a black pastor, raises a serious issue about a failure by black community leaders to address extreme violence in their community, and all you can do is shout racism without any constructive comment, to close down the debate. Think harder about who is being ignorant
     
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  15. QPR999

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    I haven't seen any racists posts on here recently, that's a strong accusation to make. Name the people who you think this to be and copy in their post.

    The term racist has been devalued over recent years by overuse and misuse and on the occasions when the real thing does occur, it just won't register with people. That will be the real tragedy.
     
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    move to sutton or bexley
     
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    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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  18. UTRs

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    Stop being racialist Mr 9"s...











































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  19. awjm

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    I think I will just stay out of this thread and stick to football.
     
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  20. DT’s Socks

    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

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    When in the U.K. I live near Sutton
    However these figures are wrong as I have a couple buried in my garden
     
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