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Article: Best vs Carroll | Football, Newcastle

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  1. Chappaz

    Chappaz Active Member

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    Everyone keeps complaining about having to find a 'replacement for Carroll', so I decided to do a little research to compare Best's apps and goals with Carroll's apps and goals before he was sold. Just to see how much Carroll brought to NUFC and how much of a gap we needed to fill.

    Andy Carroll - 19 apps - 11 goals
    Leon best - 13 apps - 8 goals


    Andy Carroll goals and points contributed:

    Newcastle 1 - 3 Manchester City
    Minus 1 Carroll goal = 0 - 3
    Points contributed = 0

    Newcastle 3 - 1 Liverpool
    Minus 1 Carroll goal = 2 - 1
    Points contributed = 0

    Newcastle 1 - 1 Chelsea
    Minus 1 Carroll goal = 0 - 1
    Points contributed = 1

    Bolton 5 - 1 Newcastle
    Minus 1 Carroll goal = 5 - 0
    Points contributed = 0

    Newcastle 1 - 2 - Blackburn
    Minus 1 Carroll goal = 0 - 2
    Points contributed = 0

    Arsenal 0 - 1 Newcastle
    Minus 1 Carroll goal = 0 - 0
    Points contributed = 2

    West ham 1 - 2 Newcastle
    Minus 1 Carroll goal = 1 - 1
    Points contributed = 2

    Wolves 1 - 1 Newcastle
    Minus 1 Carroll goal = 1 - 0
    Points contributed = 1

    Newcastle 6 - 0 Aston Villa
    Minus 3 Carroll goals = 3 - 0
    Points contributed = 0

    11 goals total = 6 points contributed

    Leon Best goals and points scored:

    Newcastle 5 - 0 West Ham
    Minus 3 Best goals = 2 - 0
    Points contributed = 0

    Arsenal 4 - 4 Newcastle
    Minus 1 Best goal = 4 - 3
    Points contributed = 1

    Birmingham 0 - 2 Newcastle
    Minus 1 Best goal = 0 - 1
    Points contributed = 0

    Newcastle 1 - 2 Everton
    Minus 1 Best goal = 0 - 2
    Points contributed = 0

    Newcastle 2 - 1 Fulham
    Minus 2 Best goals = 0 - 1
    Points contributed = 3

    8 goals scored = 4 points contributed


    Verdict:

    Carroll - 11 goals total = 6 points contributed - 54% goals got points
    Best - 8 goals scored = 4 points contributed - 50% goals got points

    Andy Carroll - 19 apps - 11 goals - 57% conversion rate
    Leon Best - 13 apps - 8 goals - 61% conversion rate

    It's almost evens on goals which directly contributed points, with Carroll having 4% more.

    On actual goals out of apps, Best edges it with 61% to Carroll's 57%.

    So, in a nutshell, in-terms of importance SO FAR, Best and Carroll are almost exactly the same.






    PS: If there are any errors in the maths just lemme know.
     
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  2. Tiote's Witch Doctor

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    Compare the assists and you will find yourself in a completely different outcome.
     
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  3. Tisdale's St James Swap

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    what is this bullshit?
     
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  4. I want curly hair too

    I want curly hair too Active Member

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    Send this to Llambias and we might get Best sold for £35m too!
     
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  5. Sanchin0

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    YESS.. **** YOU ALL BEST HATERS!!!

    LEON BEST IS ****ING MINT.. JUST LOOK AT MY AVATAR!!!

    <whistle>
     
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  6. TheLittleGeordie

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    Also as soon as we sold Carroll we started playing good football
     
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  7. Tisdale's St James Swap

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    Think we might as well compare toenail length about as relevant as this post!
     
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  8. Mr. Bump

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    Goals to game ratio isn't the same as conversion rate, that's shots per goal.
     
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    How do assists compare? Considering that they are known for holding the ball up and laying off, I am curious as to who has allowed for more attacks and goals coming via them!
     
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  10. Jonas' Dance Teacher

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    At the end of the day Andy Carroll is twice the player of Leon Best and we do need to replace him :)
     
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    This - Carroll assisted a few against Villa, Nolan's against Liverpool, Shola's against sunlun' and Barton's against Liverpool. plus many more I can't be bothered to think about
     
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  12. Tiote's Witch Doctor

    Tiote's Witch Doctor Well-Known Member

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    Carroll got a lot of assists as well as goals, and many challenges he won in the air also led to goals that weren't a direct assist, Best in my opinion is mediocre in the air at best and from what I can recall hasnt made a single assist.

    However having said that we now IMO definitely have better creative midfielders in the side so maybe the creative side of Carroll wont matter quite as much?

    However if you are comparing them, its a close contest in goals but as a complete striker,Carroll wins hands down.

    Best played against weaker teams than Carroll also.
     
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  13. Tisdale's St James Swap

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    ......oh and Leon best is ****e
     
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  14. Jonas' Dance Teacher

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    Yeah, Carroll is such a presence - would score 15-20 per season for us for the rest of his career and assist a whole lot more

    Don't think Best will ever do that.
     
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  15. Sanchin0

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    Best HAS more to his game than Carroll!

    More movement, agility and ability! Although Carroll dominates him in terms of playing the ''target man'' role. <ok>
     
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    Carroll was obviously the better player, the point being i suppose that Best isnt nearly as bad as some seem to be making out, deserves a chance and hopefully could be a good un for us
     
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  17. Chappaz

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    If you don't already know which of Carroll's assists actually contributed to point scoring goals, then you really can't claim that, can you?

    No idea. Can't be arsed to compare assists as well. This is goals only for now.

    Still rather interesting, but some of the Best-haters can't seem to get their head around clear facts.

    If you're too much of a rock-bottom-IQ thick **** to be able to comprehend basic statistics, then **** off to another thread.
     
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  18. Sanchin0

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    Your ****!!!

    1) Would you ever score in the EPL? NO. AT YOUR PUB TEAM? YEAH!!!

    <laugh>
     
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  19. Tisdale's St James Swap

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    That is absolute ****e. Carroll has better strength, a better shot, greater presence and a few England caps to prove it. And he scored more goals
     
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  20. Amnesiac

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    This! Look at Carroll now, playing in a creative Liverpool side, he looks ****. We played to his strengths, but since he's gone we've played much more attractive football that is more suited to Best than Carroll.
     
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