This is what doesn’t seem to be understood. If all someone hears is that people who voted leave or voted for Trump etc are uneducated racists, then that person is unlikely to let people know their real views in public.
Exactly. This is why polls are always wrong. When Sky did their recent poll on Brexit, you had to take it with a pinch of salt. Mogg was spot on yesterday when discussing Vince Cable and his people's vote. Libs campaigned for that at the last election and where did it get them? The silent Tories are renowned for not saying anything and speaking at the polling stations. I see similarities between them, Brexieers and Trump voters. So when 'remoaners' moan about losing a vote they should realise that calling people 'thick racists' actually went against them. Project fear turned many to vote leave as well.
Is it smart, then, to form and entrench your views about a subject on the basis that someone you don't know called you thick or racist for holding them? Not asking this about Brexit specifically, as I'm staying away from that topic. Just as a basic principle.
I can’t answer for Ellers, but for me, my views are already formed but I would try to avoid getting drawn into a debate where the other person’s views are that they believe I am thick or a racist. I find that remainers are much more vocal, in general, when in a group (granted that may just be where I live).
There’s always been huge swathes of people too ashamed to admit they Tory. Same with Brexit. One can only imagine why. Claiming there’s no appetite for not cutting our own legs off over Brexit because the Lib Dems don’t get a lot of votes is just poor logic.
It’s not about being ashamed, it’s just that the type of response you get is that the other person is so certain that their view is right, and that people who voted leave must be so stupid that they want the country to cut its own legs off. That’s usually the time to not continue the debate because nobody’s point of view will change.
when did people become so soft they couldnt even bare to get their socks wet or was the tube safety officer worried about mass drownings the leggy blonde on 38 seconds aint scared by a few inches
That doesn’t actually happen though. It’s always a Leave voter whose arguments for Leave have been exposed as intangible nothingness picking up their ball and storming off in a huff. If people really believe that what they’ve seen in the last two years means Leave is in theirs and the country’s best interests then good luck to them.
Nothing that has happened in the last two years has led me to believe that the views I held in 2016 about the EU were wrong. In fact, my negative view of the EU has strengthened.
as have mine and probably just about all the others. Your post is exactly what the remoaners don't want to hear because all the negative press has actually backfired.
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It’s a fair point. The Lib Dems will always struggle with our voting system. General Elections are about far more than Brexit. To make an assumption from one for the other is wrong.
It’s exactly what I’d expect to hear. Nothing our government does inspires confidence, every forecast including the government’s suggests it’ll be a ****storm (BUT WE DON’T LIKE EXPERTS) so all that’s left is more digs based on nothing at the EU. How dare they not bend over for us!
