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  1. alwaysright

    alwaysright @ Very Angry Camel

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    So -what you're saying is that the referees can't be trusted to, 1. make the right decision, 2 can't be trusted to admit that they may have not seen an incident, 3 can't be trusted to admit to a mistake. 4 can't be trusted to be fair to teams ( by refusing to use VAR ) - but what really beggars belief is that there is a group of so-called professional referees in the VAR room who do not deem it fit to rectify so many howlers that have existed.
     
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  2. brb

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    I know how much you hate cheating mate, and i have to say i feel VAR is making the cheating worse. We are now penalising any minor misdemeanor, and strikers are cleaverly using the system to their advantage.

    I never wanted to see it in the game, i knew it would never work but at least it gives the pundits something to talk about.
     
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  3. sensiblegreeny

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    I don't think referees can be trusted which is a bit of a sad admission. I also agree with brb in that I do think it is making matters worse. The players are pretty good at throwing themselves around. What doesn't happen with VAR is they get booked when it looks like they have cheated and dived. That should happen because there is an incentive to chuck themselves on the floor in the hope that VAR makes it look like they have been put there. If it does they win. If it doesn't then they have lost nothing in the attempt. I think what it shows is that players are now cheating to such an extent that refereeing is almost impossible. How sad is that.
     
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    Yet again in tonights match Nigeria v Argentina the VAR question comes to the fore. This time it wasn't that VAR was used incorrectly or the decisions made by it's use were neccessarily wrong. My beef is once again what happens when the decision is made that it wasn't a foul. Here we had players chucking themselves down in the hope of a penalty and VAR establishing that nothing naughty had gone on. But, where was the yellow card for the dive it clearly showed? Nowhere because the players know it won't follow. The Ref is happy that he didn't give a decision he shouldn't and the diver gets away scot free because the Ref and VAR were'nt looking for the dive only if it was a foul. Once more players were encouraged to do it.
     
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    Many apologies if this is in the wrong thread, but I've just seen this on a mate's facebook status.

    So..for Germany, ze VAR is over!
     
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    This right here sums up the standards of refereeing at the moment. VAR has highlighted how often referees make mistakes during the games the ones most resistant to use it, are the referees who are making the most mistakes. More needs to be done by Fifa, Uefa, FA etc to improve the standards of referees so they're either mildly competent at using VAR or being able to control and manage a game directly. If that was improved, then this debate probably wouldn't ever occur.
     
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    Once again the use of VAR is shown to be a waste of time if the people looking at it are walking their guide dog at the time.
     
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    Must admit to having a slight chortle at this...

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  9. alwaysright

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    Vars ?
    You might think that 'Vars' is the plural of Var - and France certainly profited from more than one Var ( especially Griezman ).
    With Var being introduced in the World Cup, it was obvious that France were always going to win the competition - it was fate that two of their goals should have involved Var(s) - because;
    Vars isn't the plural of Var, it is a popular ski resort in the south of France ( near Geneva )....... see I, can do culture along with stupidity. ( I'm taking the piste. )
    I wonder what would have happened if the referee hadn't awarded a dubious free kick - and a ridiculous penalty - I expect that the French would have 'upped' their game - but if I was a Croatian fan, I would be feeling a little aggrieved.
     
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    It goes to show how bad the Referees have become when even with the "assistance" of the cameras they still manage to feck everything up. For me the end result was 2 - 2. No way it was a free kick and definitely not dubious. Even the Ref couldn't make his mind up with the penalty. Obviously not obvious then so no penalty. The Croatians should have suffered under VAR in their game against us and got the best deal with that. Maybe poetic justice was served but even though I thought France would win the final I still didn't want the cheating gits to do it. I went off on a rant which was very loud and x rated which my missus told me off for when Griezmann threw himself to the ground when clearly not even touched. That did it for me and for the rest of the game I did nothing but shout cheat at every opportunity. I left out the swear words but still had to comment. VAR was supposed to stop cheating wasn't it.
     
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    alwaysright @ Very Angry Camel

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    Just like to say thanks to all for joining in with this thread.
    It looks like VAR will continue to provide us with controversial refereering decisions, and plenty of debate ...... brb - you needn't have worried - and when you've got it wrong - no need for any TV replay - I'll tell you what's right.
     
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    What i find interesting in all this is that before the technology came in, i read an article about the number of mistakes by referees in top games. When the incidents were reviewed months on, it was found that it was a very small number that were actually wrong.

    So we move on....Var has made far more errors through human interpretation than the ref ever did alone. Add to that strikers are now playing the technology and the percentage of advantage in unscrupulous conditions has quadrupled!

    Var made the World Cup interesting but for all the wrong reasons and its great as a tv spectacle but as a supporter at the game, no thank you, id rather lose through cheating than put up with this debacle.
     
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    alwaysright @ Very Angry Camel

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    brb - apologies for the delayed response ( but I got up especially early today to give you my full attention ).

    ...... before I 'begin' - I just want to say that I can understand your apathy - ( but - as you know - I tend to let cheating boil my blood ! )

    I have watched a number of games on SKY & BT in the last couple of weeks - where there has been a lot of cheating or appalling decisions ( and lack of ), by the officials - and goals have been scored which should not have counted - and which have greatly affected the results. A West Brom player was interviewed immediately following a game last week. He 'scored' a last minute equaliser - by pushing the ball over the goal line with his arm. He readily admitted his action - and had absolutely no remorse.... "You are a cheat." is what I would have told him.

    I have re-read the last two lines of your post - and they dishearten me. We should not have to accept any form of cheating in our society. I won't get into a political homily about fairness and justice - You know where I stand on this issue - but - I am disappointed that you can accept cheating in football. Would you so readily accept being cheated in anything else ? Would you so readily accept being 'short-changed' when we hand over payment in a shop ? Surely you would tell a shopkeeper that you gave a £20 note - when he gives you change for a tenner. Would you accept only half a job done by a tradesperson ? - NO - you would look at the bill and think that the robbing basturd has screwed you ! THAT is a normal reaction - and what would also be normal is for anyone to question the matter.................... now I realise that you ( and other Gills fans ) are not normal - but I believe that you can understand the point I'm making................................ and before you defend your position ---

    .............. may I remind you that while you watch, and accept your team losing because of cheating by the opposition and officials, do not forget that you have paid good money to be screwed.

    VAR is never going to be perfect - but - neither is British Justice. VAR is going to help to get things right more often. It will help to provide evidence that would be missed if the technology didn't exist -- a bit like DNA forensic evidence. VAR is going to help to stop the cheating - or at least, it should help to punish the cheats and stop you getting screwed............ Cheating is not acceptable in any aspect of society - and that includes football.
     
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    We've cheated in the game for what, 100 years, so why have the goal posts been moved closer together --one reason and one reason only, MONEY!

    My viewpoint remains, i'd rather have jumpers as goalposts than have a game to suit the middle classes and billionaires.

    After all it's a game isn't it?
     
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    As I have commented on another thread, unfortunately not.

    At our level (L1) yes it is, just about, still

    But at PL and above it's no longer a game, it's a business
     
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  16. alwaysright

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    all I'll say is 'Have you seen Scally's price structure for the Cardiff game.'
     
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    Yep, and that's NOT business, it's just stupidity and another reason why he shouldn't be allowed even to organise a school fête
     
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    I'm not defending Scally because I don't know how the price was arrived at, I do think that the price has to be agreed between both clubs and the FA.
     
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    School fete <laugh>
     
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    Have you forgotten how Scally 'forced' Spurs to charge £ 5 more for tickets for the cup game a couple of years back-I didn't think it was funny - when I was already paying for three of my family to go to the match ( as well as travelling and catering ) - cost me a small fortune - and what did we get - an embarrassment of a 'performance.'

    ................ couldn't organise a fete ? - more like a monkey's tea party
     
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