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Match Day Thread Tunisia v England

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Jun 17, 2018.

  1. Edelman

    Edelman Well-Known Member

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    He's always angry .
    Just ignore him
     
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  2. Ernie Shackleton

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    You come up with a rhyme for dogger then.
     
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  3. PLT

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    Crazy that people are still knocking England after that. You won't see a more one-sided 2-1. Loads of top sides have dropped points; we created 7 or 8 really clear cut chances and got the three points. Can't ask for much more.
     
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  4. GEvans76

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    Good performance against a team who played 10 men behind the ball.
    Showed determination and passion.
     
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  5. Des Head

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    All I've got is 'slogger'. Take it, or more realistically, leave it.

    (The wife offers 'monger'. Yeah, I know, I've told her.)
     
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  6. HHH

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    I'm quite liking Southgate but he took too long to hook the players not performing.

    Alli and Lingard have their merits but both are the types than can go missing for large parts of a game. Defo need a midfielder who can take a game by the scruff of the neck.

    Sterling just not doing it for England. Rashford did far more in his cameo.
     
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  7. Barchullona

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    Flogger. Blogger. Clogger.
     
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  8. GLP

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    A one sided game that we abjectly struggled to win? England are the epitome of disappointment. Pleasing on the eye but complete failures in the final 3rd.
     
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  9. BrAdY

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    what are brazil then
    7-1 and a 1-1 draw v switzerland

    what do you expect with england

    maybe 1 world class player that's it
     
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  10. The B&S Fanclub

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    Henderson was getting in the refs face, Kane was miles away and he's got the armband...
    No width, plodding down the middle.. It was crying out for someone to get around the back, but we had no one with a clue on how to do that.

    Sorry, hope I am wrong, but on that showing reaching the last 16 will be as good as it gets...
     
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  11. GLP

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    I don’t expect anything.

    In my hierarchy of Football England are very low priority.

    It’s people getting carried away over a pretty abject win over a pretty poor Tunisia side.
     
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  12. City1904

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    What are people expecting?

    A manager to come in completely and utterly change the shape and the way we play and win the world Cup at the same time?

    People criticised Guardiola in his first season, and he got to train and work with the players every week and have 38 games.

    Southgate is trying to give us a way of playing its going to take time but have some patience.

    Yes we made mistakes today but on a different day we won 4-0. Lingard has banged them in for United this year, Sterling scored 18 odd goals give the blokes a chance.
     
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    So, we did better in the opening game, against Africa's highest rated team, than the World Champions, Brazil, Spain, Argentina , and Portugal. The latter two having the world's highest rated players. Aren't we absolutely ****e?
     
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  14. Happy Tiger

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    That game gives me hope for the future.

    The bastards.
     
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  15. PLT

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    Only someone who really wants to be disappointed could watch that game and not be pleased by our performance. It was very cool for a long time to slate England no matter what but most people are moving on from that silly phase now. You should join them; it's a lot more fun.
     
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  16. GLP

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    Yes.
     
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  17. Edelman

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    So !! Is everybody happy now ???
    Luckily i won't see a game until the last 16.
    Don't know who we will play but enjoy and play nicely lads .
    Especially you uptight East Coast twins that live south of Filey
     
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  18. GLP

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    Ha - you do come across as a complete tool at times. England I don’t care about. Club Football every time. I’m just hugely amused by your hugely exaggerated comments.

    You can tell you’re a bit wet behind the ears.
     
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  19. Cortez91

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    Highlights starting on ITV now for anybody that missed it.

    Views of Gary Neville, Lee Dixon and Martin O’Neill on punditry afterwards. See what they say compared to Alan Shearer, Frank Lampard and Rio Ferdinand earlier.
     
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  20. Chazz Rheinhold

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    Fair summary

    Five talking points: England almost pay price for carelessness at both ends
    Dominic FifieldLast modified on Mon 18 Jun 2018 22.18 BST
    Profligacy in attack and sloppiness in defence very nearly cost England two points against Tunisia before Kane’s rescue act

    1) Profligacy could end up costing dearly
    Amid all the positivity which had swept this vibrant, attack-minded England side to Volgograd and the joy which accompanied their departure back to St Petersburg, Gareth Southgate will be more acutely aware of this team’s shortcomings now. Principal among them is profligacy. Dele Alli, Raheem Sterling and Jesse Lingard have scored 144 goals for their various club sides, albeit not always in the top flight, since the 2014 World Cup, but have now contributed only five in 73 caps between them for the national team. Some of the misses here were excruciating and undermined an otherwise dominant performance. Until England find a way of easing the goalscoring burden on Harry Kane, their excellent approach play will invariably bring frustration. Southgate must coax bite from those at the captain’s back.

    2) Kane’s catch-up game is under way
    At least the captain retains his threat. Mauricio Pochettino encourages nothing but positivity at Tottenham, however wild the ambitions of his players, so there were few surprises when Kane went into last season expressing a desire to establish his reputation at the top level in the Champions League. He achieved that, so why not express an intent to claw Cristiano Ronaldo back in the race for the World Cup’s Golden Boot on the eve of this fixture? His predatory finish after Mouez Hassen’s fine early save signalled his intent. His close-range header from Harry Maguire’s flick deep into stoppage time was a reminder he will always be England’s talismanic figure. England need more chances to fall for him given those two chances were his only real sights of goal, but they can trust in their skipper.

    3) Carelessness marred early excellence
    Southgate has urged his players to take risks and was willing to excuse the odd mistake en route but there has to be some concern, too, at the back. Tunisia hardly ever threatened yet they still managed to score. Kyle Walker’s penalty concession instinctively felt soft but his swing of the arm, inadvertently connecting with Fakhreddine Ben Youssef, had perhaps courted disaster. Carelessness had actually gripped Southgate’s side in that period, with Harry Maguire and Walker having dawdled in possession moments before to present Tunisia with their first real sight of goal. It only takes a moment of sloppiness to shift momentum in a game at this level. Here England needlessly presented their rivals with a route back into the fray.

    4) Cases for two England penalties?
    If VAR was supposed to be the root of all confusion, then the Colombian official created rather more chaos over what he considered worthy of the award of a spot-kick. Walker was clumsy and penalised. Yassine Meriah’s approach to dealing with Kane at set pieces was rather more intentionally heavy handed. Twice the striker was wrestled to the ground off the ball, with his and teammates’ appeal for a penalty almost laughed off by Wilmar Roldan. Both would have been as soft as Ferjani Sassi’s, certainly, but the decision-making appeared to lack some consistency. Not that that constituted an excuse. England should have been out of sight long before they could cry foul.

    5) But this was still a night of positives
    Only a sixth win in 27 opening matches at major tournaments, and a third at the World Cup, has given England a whiff of the knockout stage. Tunisia were awkward, stubborn opponents to confront but, eventually, they were deflated and defeated by two set plays. That refusal to allow two points to slip away has provided a considerable fillip – it will do wonders for a young squad’s belief – with further encouragement to be taken from the way Marcus Rashford and Ruben Loftus-Cheek drove England on against weary opponents. The energy was English. Qualification could be achieved in Nizhny Novgorod against Panama, a team ground down and eventually overcome with ease by Belgium. The third game could be a play-off for top spot after all.
     
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