Article: Is the only difference between the two NE teams owners PR? | Football, Sunderland, Newcastle

Are the Sunderland Board and owner and Newcastle board and owner closer than we think in aims and objectives?

I would suggest both boards are looking to bring young players in with an aim of a higher price.

Both clubs now seem to be selling clubs.

Premiership survival IS enough.

Now Sunderland fans are in the main very happy with Quinn and Short. I'd stated we don't know Short so well but he has backed us thus far. Quinn is untouchable really.
Newcastle fans in the main hate their owners and want rid of Ashley and co.

Why is this.

Well perhaps if you look where the clubs were before it may answer the question, Newcastle came from a situation of challenging for titles and cups, massive investment in their team and the best time for many of their fans living memories. This investment had brought the club to the brink of collapse and financial ruin.

Sunderland came from years of a total lack of investment. Bob Murray at the time was not popular although I think most fans looking back acknowledge he was right to move stadium and we did have a brief flirtation with good times under Peter Reid but by the end we were a laughing stock record points lows etc but Murray did have the club at heart and did his best for Quinn to take over.

So at Sunderland we are grateful to Quinn for bringing much needed investment and the efforts made to push us up to the top echelons of the Premier league at Newcastle fans are missing the top signings they used to make and relegation returned having seemed a thing of the past. However Ashley seems to have brought the debt under control.

Looking at the recent transfer activity (although a couple of days left). Both sides have probably sold their best players - Bent, Henderson for Sunderland, Andy Carol, Barton and Nolan. Both sides have brought cheaper players in and the money made from the sales of their better players has not fully been reinvested.

Do either set of fans expect a big name signing to be landed by Wednesday - I'd suggest there is hope but as a Sunderland fan I think a journeyman striker will be brought in (hope I'm wrong) Newcastle fans probably know more 5-6 million rated players from the continent.

So is the difference really that Niall Quinn speaks so well. I've noticed as a Sunderland fan that after dissapointing results it is quickly trotted out that we are looking for strikers. On the sale of our better players Bent in particular we were told to expect a world class replacement by Quinn but then again his world class manager was Roy Keane....Is it that we Sunderland fans believe and want to believe Quinn whereas the Newcastle fans distrust Ashley and don't believe him......?

 

I think that the main reason why we have had to sell players is that the fans havn't backed Quinn's dream as he anticipated, so therefore the expected/projected revenue hasn't materialised...
Back to the original question: in my opinion, the main difference between Short and Ashley is that Ashley lacks the dignity and class that is portrayed by Short.
In my opinion, the one thing they do have in common is that they are not sugar daddies to their respective clubs, and are both in it for the hope of a long-term profit.

 

Sorry boys but tosh IMO. We sold 2 players, Bent we persuded to stay in the summer but he wanted out in Jan and Hendo, 20 mil, we would have been daft to say no.

 

We sold 20millions worth and bought 26millions worth, nothing like Ashley and Spewcastle

 

from a sunderland point of view I prefer to think that it's just short & quinn coming to terms with the new financial reality.
Banks aren't lending and it's time to be cautious for a while to see how things pan out.
Certainly not a time to be risking the club by splashing out. They are the custodians of the club we love and I think we need to trust them to take a longer term view, even though as supporters we always want success now.
However if we sign a 15 mil striker before wednesday night, ignore the above lol.

 

Are the Mags right ro hate Ashley though? Yes he's made mistakes but maybe he's a realist and has had to do much of what he has done. Their are many reasons SAFC isn't a sell out. One of rhem for me though has to be that certainly under Keane the football has been awful. It's been good in glimpses with Bruce but we had our sell outs when we played great football with Quinn and Phillips up front.

 

As I said, I think that it's because Ashley displays no class, often trying to look like a typical fat Mag on the one hand and then not having any sense of how the fans think and react on the other..We have Quinn who will have almost certainly educated Short in what the fans are looking for, and also what would boil their piss. That to me is the difference.

 

I haven't seen any evidence of Sunderland doing that apart from Wickham possibly. Bruce just seems to be buying players which he needs regardless of age. O'Shea and Brown are two good examples of that.

On the other hand, Newcastle seem to have a 100% strict policy on only bringing in young talent. I'd go as far as to say that if we're ever linked with a player 27 or over, we can basically write the rumour off as we would never buy him.

Newcastle does have the tighter purse-strings at the moment though thanks to Ashley, so perhaps money and re-sale value is more of a priority compared to Sunderland.

 

Chappaz - this Milan defender you lot are in for. Is he l/b or r/b?

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Not sure if he has a dedicated side. He's played on both sides many times during his career so far. I presume we would use him as a left back if we sign him though. Quite excited about it all.

 

Thats my problem!

Someone who could be a l/b!

Should be fighting you lot for him.

Have we really ran out of the green stuff?

If so, we are in the brown stuff!

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Why, I can think of a few positions we need to spend on before a full back Bobby

 

Your joking how can you compare Short and Ashley. I don't like Sunderland but your owner and chairman have backed the manager and the club all the way. They have tried to put up the cash for the players Bruce picked. In my opinion the problem you have is Bruce, if he went though you would probably be able to attract a manager like Hughes or Martin O'Neill whereas if Pardew finally gives up we would end up with Joe F***** Kinnear. Get rid of your manager and things will look up for you Bruce has a high opinion of himself that's for sure he is mediocre at best.

 

If bardsley gets injured..........

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Santon is one of the biggest prospects in world football and an Italy international. If he was going to move anywhere it would be right in for a first-team spot.

 

For me its about getting the right balance, the last two owners of Newcastle have been from one extreme to another. The regime at Sunderland is more of the Shepherd extreme, however Quinn cares more about the fans. Sunderland board better, Newcastle last 2 managers have been dark horses the board is a big reason behind Nolan, Enrique, Barton and others leaving Newcastle.