Yes. It's simply not true that football clubs prevent pass holders from letting someone else use their pass when they can't attend, it would be a stupid thing to do.
Yes, on application. You keep evading the whole point of the T&Cs, which the club would refer to if questioned.
I wonder how many people, like myself, have not attended a game at The Circle since this stupid membership scheme was instigated, and how many of those people now, after all has been said and done, just can't be arsed with it all anymore. They've made what was once an enjoyable occasion into a chore, and, in the main, people don't like chores. I truly detest and despise the Allam's for what they have done to my club, they've ripped the heart and soul out of it.
You don't have to apply at most clubs and the terms and conditions proposed are ****ing ridiculous, that's the whole point.
The ones I have read, including the FA's, all make application a condition, but we all know that casual transfer isn't considered a problem unless a problem comes from it - i.e. a banned supporter using it, or the user becoming a problem; then the T&Cs are invoked. I read quite a few PL and Championship T&Cs and found no exceptions to what I have said (for season passes) - do you have one or two? Some of the proposed T&Cs are ridiculous, I think we all agree on that, but it doesn't change what already is accepted format (not the new ****e) and that folk have been subscribing to it for years. That really is the whole point.
Which ones have you read, as I can't find any that don't allow family and friends to use tickets if the pass-holder can't attend? Even Man United, who have the most draconian pass-holder rules, have terms and conditions that state: “For each home match, a ticket holder shall (on a match by match basis) be entitled to lend their season ticket to a friend or a member of their family.” However it can only be lent free of charge, it can’t be listed for sale and no money can change hands. They must be United fans and any breaking of rules or misbehaviour by the friend or family member will be considered to have been committed by the ticket holder themselves and could see the ticket suspended or cancelled. If it is a concessionary season ticket, ie. a junior or OAP, and a full-paying adult wants to use it, they must contact the ticket office to ‘upgrade’ the ticket and pay the price difference.
A quick check on a middle-of-the-road team - Brentford - produced this: Edit: https://www.brentfordfc.com/terms-conditions/
A lot want to know who is in the seat for security reasons which is why they have a resale system. I know an Arsenal fan who moved up here and he used to use the system when he couldn't go. After a heart attack he gave his pass up but is on their system for tickets. He gets offers by text at the approach of every game. Some of the prices are eye-watering. Of course most don't just refuse to allow transfers like our business geniuses.
City always allowed a concession pass to be upgraded on match day to be used by another fan. I've upgraded to the older child concession, adult and pensioner. In no case has the club not happily accepted cash to do this. No details of the user have ever been requested. If this doesn't prove that transferring the benefits of a pass has always been acceptable, I don't know what does.
It is complicated there by their members scheme which gives you first choice on tickets and which means some people don't release their seats they have first option on. And, talking of prices, theirs are astronomical for top games despite a lot of people claiming tbey are cheap.
Thank you, that just goes to prove what almost everyone has been saying. See also OLM's post about Man U. It looks like our club will not allow anyone else to use an allocated pass in any circumstances. Edit. This is the important bit. If you are found to be abusing the revised rules i.e. using someone else’s card or using a card that is not the correct age group for you, the Club will confiscate your card on the spot and you will be ejected from the stadium. Following confiscation, to get your card back you will need to collect your card from the Stadium after 48 hours (during Ticket Zone opening hours). To collect your card you will need to prove your identity again with photo ID. If you have bought the incorrect card for your age group, you will need to pay the backdated amount for monies owed since you registered as a Member. You will also be charged a fine of £35. Please note, your card would be placed ‘on hold’ until the fine is paid.
A point regarding pensioers, or at least some pensioners, I have made before. With no mortage and a private pension in addition to the state pension I have more disposable income than my kids with rent to pay etc... Though pensioners with only the state pension are a different matter. Same with younger people living at home. My eldest laughed at me years ago when I said he would be never as well off when he was spending all his money on himself whilst living at home. Not paying for lots of things he took for granted, coffee, toothpaste, SKY TV, gas, electric...As I remind him now when with 2 wages coming in he moans about all tbe things he can't afford to do after paying bills and things for the kids. Of course I don't mention I laughed when my dad said the same to me.
As much as I applaud this, I am finding it is the exception and not the rule (in the top two tiers) - my point is that it is a serious consideration when forming an argument against the club's proposals.
The claim that you usually need to gain permission to let someone else sit in your seat simply wasn't correct, it's the exception, not the rule. Though I am getting a little bored with it.
