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Petition to change EFL governance

Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by Tangerino, Mar 24, 2018.

  1. Tangerino

    Tangerino Active Member

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    But it is still in better nick than the EFL!!
    #ReclaimTheGame
     
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    Weren't your sponsers Wonga?

    If so you deserved to go bust.
     
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    Thieving ****s!..

    Why are that scum allowed to continue trading. In just about any other country, including the US, they’d get done for usury
     
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  4. Tangerino

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    Oyston greeted Wonga with open arms - not the fans. The Oystons have a history of 'dealing with the devil' and we haven't gone bust, as the money from the PL etc never hit the football club. It was siphoned off to service the owners 'personal/other interests'.

    Quite literally, the only benefit we received from the PL year was some sprinklers for the pitch and to be honest, a lot of us wish we had never been promoted.

    You can't blame fans for board level decisions
     
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  5. brb

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    Let me ask you a question, how many supporters bought the team strip with the Wonga logo on it? Let me help you...

    Random picture from images how many 'Wonga' labels do you see, these very fans contributed towards Blackpool's problems...

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    Seriously fella, I'm pretty much up on the social history of football, and as i told you on another thread, the supporters have themselves as much to blame regardless of dealing with the devil. If you don't buy the product they can't sell, they then can't promote it.

    I will never buy my club's shirt if it did a sponsorship deal with Wonga or any other of these rip off monkey's. I can't do much about stepping in the ground but i can avoid buying any merchandise carrying the logo.

    Some years back my club did something i didn't like, as way of protest i stopped buying the match day programmes and the food served by the catering company. Actually many supporters didn't like the catering company, they pulled out of contract and we took them to court and the cleaners.

    You all had the opportunity to stand up against it at the time, but what did you do, when looking at that picture above not a lot, because you preferred the dream becoming reality of glory.

    You've only got 11,000 signatures on your petition, has that even touched your average attendance in the Premiership, where have all your fans gone?

    I do blame the fans, not the real fans, they probably amount to 3k...am i right...the rest were just plastics.
     
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  6. Tangerino

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    "I do blame the fans, not the real fans, they probably amount to 3k...am i right...the rest were just plastics."

    As you quite rightly state, when BFC were doing well (even before promotion to the PL), the crowds did increase significantly - but is this not the same at any club in this position? Hence the "where were you when you were s*it" chants - even at Man City!

    I would also assume that sales of shirts would have also increased due to the influx of new blood.
    I totally agree with your point regarding Wonga. there were many, many existing fans who refused to buy them due to the sponsor. Even when their sponsorship ended, we protested and boycotted against our local (De Vere) Vilage hotel, as they were putting money into Oyston's pocket. They relented and terminated the sponsorship deal within a few weeks due to the negative impact on thier business!!

    From a personal note (and this will be true for the majority of longstanding BFC fans), I was a season ticket holder until 5 seasons ago and I have not been to a BFC game since. I will not return until the current regime has gone. I am not willing to put money into the owners pocket. This is what the Not A Penny More (#NAPM) campaign has been about for several years.

    However, even if the Oystons left today, we think that the petition is still valid, as the EFL stand by and watch clubs be destroyed. They are a group of blazer boys, who are devoted to club owners - f*ck the supporters! They said a convicted rapist was ' fit and proper' in their eyes, whilst the PL did not.

    There are many, many things wrong in football, and we want to apply pressure to ensure that owners for example; like the Oystons at BFC, Ken Bates (during his time at LUFC) etc are not allowed anywhere near a club again. This is NOT a BFC issue, it affects ALL clubs regardless of their current league status or current ownership.

    There is only so much we can do as individuals or collectively at a club level - that is why we need everyones help to at least try to make a difference. If it fails, then so be it, at least we tried.

    But if we don't try and have our voices heard, then we will get what we have always got - and that is a true failure.
     
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  8. Commachio

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    Is there a shorter version?
     
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    Yeah **** off ya boring ****, go get a dissertation on sucking cock.
     
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  10. Tangerino

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    Right on cue!!
    At least you are consistent - fair play to you lad.
     
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    You can try and i applaud you for that. However, the next generation are already here and buy into a product that was being marketed maybe even before they were born.

    Take Sky as example, we all know football was created in1992 right?

    The armchair fan wants glory, the true diehard fans are dwindling in numbers. How many supporters like me and you would go and watch their pub team club on a freezing cold November evening, playing some club who thinks its Summer down South from Accrington Stanley.

    Do you buy into VAR, a technology system that is more to appease the fairness of the armchair fan than it ever is to assist fairness of a supporter that goes week in week out.

    Imagine standing at a lower league ground, it pissing it down with rain in an open terrace, sorry supporters we need to delay the game while we await a decision from VAR.

    But VAR will never be at them games, why?...because it is only there to protect the financial outcome of official decisions. Nothing to do with fairness, you don't need technology to cut out cheating, just stamp on it.

    So what's my point, the game at the higher level is rotten to the core but in truth your petition hasn't got a bat in hell's chance of digging out the knott weed. At best it might skim the surface, because sadly the problems like that weed are root deep right through to government and the finanicial bribes of TV contracts.
     
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  12. Tangerino

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    That sir, is bang on.
    I do watch local games, just not my own team.
    I am under no illusion that the petition will actually reach 100,000 signatures so the govt. step in. But, it has put the EFL under pressure and made life uncomfortable for them already. The more signatures it gets demonstrates the level of fan dissatisfaction with the way things are at present.

    What will change in the future is anyone's guess, but this is not the game I grew up with and loved.
     
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    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Maybe I'm being naive but what can the EFL actually do to prevent poor ownership?

    Or maybe what's better to ask, is what do YOU want the EFL to do specifically? All well and good saying it needs better governance but how do you define or determine that?
     
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  14. Burly Hurley

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    No doubt its a noble cause but sport, like everything else, moves on.

    You can argue until the cows come home whether its right or wrong, for better or worse, but whether you like it or not, the game will move on. The influence of money and media will always outweigh the call from the stands from now on.

    Your petition sounds like something that would have appealed to the followers of King Canute. He knew better though.
     
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    As a Lower League supporter, which you may also be next season, I would say sport may move on, but for who's benefit, certainly not your average supporter. With respect, your team could well be the next Blackpool or Coventry or even worse still, Leyton Orient! I'm not sure what social media outlets he has taken this petition but i would be disappointed with 11k at this stage, but maybe that's because us the supporters are the problem, we have given up any hope of fighting the powers that be. I remember going to Leyton Orient when Barry Hearn was in charge, new stand, new flats part of the complex to see the game if you lived there, he sold out to Francesco Becchetti who destroyed the club within two seasons, on the verge of Championship to National League still only seven points from relegation. Sunderland will do one of two things next season, go straight back up like Blackburn or Wigan or spend several seasons in obscurity like the forementioned. But my point being you could well be the next follower of King Canute.
     
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  16. Commachio

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    Think that'sit mate. It's all about the Prem.
     
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    Not in the Lower Leagues, different mentality, it's harsh reality when you come down here.
     
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  18. Commachio

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    Our scenario is a bit different. We are used to being either prem or championship at worst. Reality is now chewing our arse off.
     
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    Absolutely mate, but it's just all that debt you're harbouring this time round. Wish you lads all the best, but next season could be a scary thought for you unless you prepare for it properly and with the ability to keep quality players.
     
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    Can't disagree with much of that.

    The only point I would make is that there's 2 or may be 3 levels of football now.

    There's the PL and everything that goes along with it and then there's the rest of the game, the remaining professional game and then the semi-pro level.

    I'd argue that the PL game has moved on from the man in the stands now and its never coming back.

    There'll be the odd team that can break through and stay there, but they'll be few and far between.

    The gap to the next level is only going to grow and grow over the next 10-20 years.

    That's not a good thing. Its just the way it is. And you're right, Sunderland is heading in the wrong direction and at just the wrong time. God knows if we'll get back up anytime soon. But without massive financial backing, like Wolves right now, it'll only get harder and harder.
     
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