All we know is that 2 Russians have been poisoned with a nerve gas substance which was developed in Russia 40 years ago, but which, in the meantime may be available to other powers, organizations or criminal groups. The evidence is no more than circumstantial, and certainly insufficient to be issuing official ultimatums to foreign powers. I have no 'agenda' as you call it - you were the one who brought in subjects like Crimea, Ukraine etc. My only agenda is that TM. has been decidedly premature on this, presumably because it is politically expedient for her to do so. After having opened her mouth in such a way what does she now do if Russia simply ignores her 'ultimatum' - she really has made a rod for her own back.
Not sure about the US showing a united front. First, the White House issued a statement of support which stopped short of mentioning Russia, and then when Secretary of State Tillerson did condemn Russia, he was promptly sacked by Trump. I hope and believe that the EU would support and perhaps join any action that we might take, but it would be understandable if they were not quite so supportive as they may have been a couple of years back.
Not sure about Trump sacking Tillerson after condemning Russia but you're right, the White House has offered no support to the UK over the poisoning.
Stroller, I don't know whether to laugh at you or feel sorry for you. You are consistently wrong about things and have some leftist slant on everything. I think we all get you don't agree with Brexit and you don't like Tories but if you are going to post at least know your facts. 1. Tillerson was informed Friday that he would be losing his job and was not sacked because of the Russian comments as you seem to believe. 2. We are still part of the EU and they will/have said they would support us. 3. Trump has said "It sounds to me like it would be Russia based on all the evidence they have", I you know anything about history you will know that America will show a united front. However you can use your lefty views to try and argue the point but I won't bother responding as it's the same old crap.
I suppose the timing of Tillerson's sacking could have been a coincidence - that's your slant I suppose - but as Durbar has agreed, the White House has offered no support as yet. As I said, I believe the EU will support us.
Trump has not been happy with Tillerson since he was quoted as saying Trump was a moron ( which he hasn't denied) about 6 months ago. They have also had different opinions on many policies which accumulated with last weeks announcement that Trump was going to meet with the North Korean Leader (forgot his name), Tillerson objected. His replacement has very similar views to Trump so he wanted him in place to oversee the arrangements for the meeting which is scheduled for May.
There is something very strange about this. If we can rule out suicide and accident (and, as a former Russian spy he may have had access to these chemicals), then there was a murderer (s) who would have known that the reasons for death would be revealed. Why then choose a method which points the finger of guilt directly at Russia, when so many other methods were possible ? Maybe not all parts of the Russian secret services are as loyal to Putin as he would wish. Certainly the EU. will support the UK. on this, but would wish that TM. had waited for concrete proof rather than throwing out premature accusations and ultimatums.
From what I can gather there is no evidence that a Russian person did any poisoning? Yet it instantly goes straight to Putin? I like him The substance maybe Russian Have a tot up how many have been killed by things made in the U.K. What about the Triumph Herald or the Spitfire It’s programming imo
conservative Activists Martin Sellner and Brittany Pettibone Detained in UK for Political Beliefs March 10, 2018 by Cassandra Fairbanks 542 Comments Total: 3.9K 3.3KShare 637Tweet Email Austrian activist Martin Sellner of Génération Identitaire and his girlfriend, American author and YouTuber Brittany Pettibone, have been detained by airport police in England for nearly three days. please log in to view this image Nobody from the US State Department or embassy contacted Pettibone’s family. Sellner was on his way to give a speech that authorities say would cause “tension among local communities and possibly incite hatred.” “Yesterday, Martin Sellner and Brittany Pettibone were detained by the UK Government and effectively declared political dissidents. The government has decided that Martin’s talk about free speech is too dangerous to be heard. Don’t worry, some of our activists will be reading his speech at Speakers’ Corner at noon tomorrow in his stead. We can’t allow either the far left or the government to silence us,” a statement from the British GI chapter read. Sellner frequently speaks out about the dangers of European nations taking in migrants. He was supposed to be addressing the issue at Speakers’ Corner in Hyde Park on Sunday. Journalist and researcher Nick Monroe spoke to Pettibone on Saturday afternoon when she called him from the detention center. She told him that she is expecting that they will be released on Sunday — 72 hours after their initial detention. She has not been permitted to speak to Sellner. One of the reasons for the detention was that they were planning to interview former Rebel Media journalist Tommy Robinson. “My speech for the @YIofficial conference was cancelled for the 2nd time, due to security risks caused by left wing threats,” Sellner tweeted. “But we won’t be silenced. On Sunday the 11th I will give my speech on Speakers Corner and I invite everybody who had a ticket for the conference to come!” “The pledge comes after a planned ‘free speech’ conference of Ukip’s youth wing, Young Independence, this weekend was cancelled amid alleged ‘security threats,’” the Evening Standard reports. According to the Evening Standard, the Home Office had previously refused to comment on whether or not Sellner would be blocked from entering the UK. “The Home Secretary may exclude an EEA national on the grounds of public policy or security, if they pose a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat,” they said in a statement early Saturday morning. i thought you could talk about anything you wanted at speakers corner know nothing about these people but she dosent look too much of a threat please log in to view this image
this lot on the other hand will be a massive threat Islamic State fighters returning to UK 'pose huge challenge' Security officials prepare as likely Isis defeats in Iraq and Syria are expected to prompt the arrival of ‘deeply indoctrinated’ UK nationals Patrick Wintour Diplomatic editor please log in to view this image Civilians stand outside their homes in west Mosul, 9 March, caught up in battles between Iraqi forces and Isis. Photograph: Ahmad Al-Rubaye/AFP/Getty Security officials in Britain are urgently preparing for the return of hundreds of UK nationals who went to fight for Islamic State, following an expected defeat of the group in Iraq and Syria. The jihadi group’s strongholds in Mosul in Iraq and Raqqa in northern Syria, are expected to fall by the summer. An exodus of foreign fighters from the area is thought already to have occurred. Security officials say they are particularly concerned by the prospect of very young children, including some who were born under isis rule in either Syria or Iraq, going to the UK with their parents. One government source said: “It is possible they are going to return indoctrinated, deeply dangerous and damaged. The only analogous experience we have is handling children caught up in extreme religious sects. It is a huge challenge for family courts and social care.” please log in to view this image Facebook Twitter Pinterest A militant website’s image, reported in 2015, of Isis fighters in Syria, heading to Iraq. Photograph: AP In a drive to crack down on extremism infiltrating Britain, the government also wants to speed up the pace with which technology firms remove Isis-inspired propaganda from the internet. One source said the average timespan was 11 to 13 minutes, but pointed out that social media could be shared within seconds. Advertisement Counter-terror officers believe the criminal courts have the legal arsenal to handle the bulk of the 850 or so foreign fighters who went to Syria, so long as it can be proved in court they took part in fighting. It is already a criminal offence to go to Syria or Iraq for the purpose of committing, or aiding, a terrorist act. But security officials are setting in train procedures to manage the return of foreign fighters, especially in cooperation with Turkey, a country many UK foreign fighters are likely to pass through. The continued need to retain security cooperation with Turkey in part explains the British Foreign Office decision to minimise criticism of the authoritarian trend inside Turkey under the president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. The EU security commissioner, Julian King, said this week that about a quarter of the 850 UK foreign fighters remained “in theatre,” adding: “Some will return with the intention of planning and executing future attacks.” A broader effort is being made to handle the flow of all EU nationals around the continent. Non-EU citizens entering or leaving the bloc will be checked against a wider range of internationally connected databases, including the Schengen information system. please log in to view this image Facebook Twitter Pinterest Burning oil facilities in Qayyarah, Iraq, hit in 2016 by an Iraqi or coalition airstrike for being an Isis base. Photograph: Zuma Wire/Rex/Shutterstock Airports, including Charles de Gaulle in Paris, are said to be identifying very large numbers of suspects. Training is also under way to improve the quality of secondary interrogation of those picked up as potential suspects. But EU officials admit the intelligence services, now operating at a central counter-terror group in the Hague, do not have the resources to retain eyes on all suspects. The UK officers say that keeping tabs on the movements of many of the fighters will be a challenge, not just in the UK but in other countries such as Tunisia, Indonesia and Algeria, where the security apparatus is less sophisticated. In total, 40,000 foreign fighters from more than 110 countries have gone to Syria and Iraq, the international development minister, Rory Stewart, confirmed this week. He warned that the speed with which these foreign fighters moved had caught the west offguard. The rate at which UK foreign fighters seek to return is expected to depend on whether the fall of Mosul and Raqqa leads Isis fighters to move elsewhere along the Euphrates valley, particularly towards Al-Qa’im, a town in Iraq close to the Syrian border. Security officials stressed that dispersed Isis members woulf continue to try to be active outside Europe, including in Turkey and Egypt.
Yes, Tillerson's days were numbered anyway, but I suspect the timing of his sacking - shortly after he condemned Russia - sends its own message.
