Here's one for anyone that can be bothered. How many attendees need to be children/oap's before this 'concession' scheme doesn't instantly become more profitable for the owners. For arguments sake let's stick all the concessions in zone one.
Ultimately its a ~ 3-Way Tie (For Last) Vote (or don't) as you choose to your conscience - but at least know why your (not) doing something ... Ehaha wins & loses whatever ~ but so do we
Once again I agree with the sentiment. But the principle isn't simple. First of all you're not voting for the return of concessions. And second, your vote doesn't demonstrate you support a lower price for kids and OAPs. We're dealing with Ehab's world here. You are voting for Ehab's version of concessions. It's another skewed vote, pure and simple. It's astonishing that people are urging others to vote for something they don't agree with. If that's the case then everybody gets what nobody wants. An Allam masterclass once more. Whichever way you vote plays into Ehab's hands. Come on guys! End of the day, we all missed a trick. Everyone wanted concessions brought back AS THEY WERE. That's what should've been fought for. But we underestimated the slimey one once again. Now it seems that because he's offering 'concessions' we've all closed our eyes. Some of us haven't. This isn't on. Bring back concessions as they were and stop cocking your customers around, Ehab.
So you used to believe that not voting wouldn't be a good idea, what do you think now? Do you have any idea as to the Hull City Official Supporters Club's stance on this? ( I already know you are not their spokesperson )
Glad you see the critical point in this, Happy, but the Trust have always had a mandate. To you both: Always prepared to take on board other opinion, but is, or should this really be about getting EA to back down and bugger how that is achieved? How does that make us any different to him? Surely this really should be about the principle of concessions and all of its constituent parts: fairness, inclusivity (young, old, disabled), rewarding those who really have earned their stripes, encouraging the next generation - and this full price paying generation, who want to take their bairns. We can’t guarantee what the Allams will do, regarding leaving; it’s no secret that I more or less agree with OLM on his prediction, but that shouldn’t cloud our thinking on concessions today - not next year or the year after. Abstaining has a voice; especially if Trusts and action groups are prepared to recognise that. For instance, through the normal channels (that I have always advocated) encourage abstainers to email the HDM, the FSF, Channel 5 Championsip.., or all of them - even include the club, so they are aware, but not them exclusively. Encourage all voters to do that, if they feel they are caught between the devil and the deep... These are hard choices, they aren’t political, like a General Election (as, Chazz, has suggested), this is a moral question of trading one section of our support to make a fleeting and dubious win over the owners. I think that’s bollocks and not worthy.
Abstaining is a crazy idea. Even if you think both options are less than ideal, not voting suggests you can’t choose. Ballots will never be a choice of “everything I want” and “something else”.
Not voting suggests you can't choose? Exactly. You can't choose between the red turd and the blue turd you have to have for your lunch. You want neither and neither is better than the other. If two options offend you equally, how can you vote for one of them?
One choice is concessions and one isn’t. Your argument that the options are equally **** suggests that concessions don’t bother you. That’s just logic.
Another example of Ehab pulling the wool over your eyes. The choices are not concessions or no concessions. The choices are: Ehab's membership scheme Or Ehab's concessions scheme You are not voting for concessions. He wins either way.
That makes absolutely no sense. Ehab doesn’t want concessions, he’s been fighting introducing any form of them ever since the membership scheme was launched. You might not think those concessions go far enough, but they’re certainly concessions.
Of course it’s not crazy. Not voting would also suggest that you didn’t like the options given. A ballot isn’t a three-line-whip, there isn’t some thug telling you to do A or B; this is about the individual choosing to subscribe to one idea or the other, or to say no, they’re both a crock of ****, I’m not voting. Abstainers are only different in that they are not thugs or bullys who insist that someone should vote for a notion they don’t agree with. There’s an odd trend on here and it’s not great.
The majority of people who get a vote simply won’t bother, abstaining just reduces the votes a little further, it’s guaranteed to achieve nothing.
Anyway by putting on my Mystic Meg magic hat I foresee that nothing will change in the near future whatever way the vote goes.
Sorry edited “I believe”. As for the OSC stance, there isn’t one, we do not issue statement or press releases about the politics of the club. I have said many times that the OSC does not have a mandate from its membership to do anything other than support Hull City and as far as the current board is concerned, it will not do anything other than attend and take part in the Supporters Committee as being representative of the supporter base, OSC members and supporter groups. The OSC will not make a recommendation, statement or conduct a poll on matters like this. We cannot be the Official supporter group and be seen as fully independent and as such whilst we will take part and be active in the committee, that’s where it ends for us. This may be different in the future, who knows. This is something that the supporter base has to decide for itself and in reality for the OSC to have a stance it would have to hold a poll of its members and stand by the result.
the vote: NO TO CONCESSIONS Yes to concessions AND ZERO FURTHER INVESTMENT IN THE CLUB BY THE ALLAM FAMILY WHO ARE ALSO NOT GOING ANYWHERE
