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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by The Little General, Mar 11, 2018.

  1. The Little General

    The Little General Well-Known Member

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    I've had my say.......... 10 games to go , would you keep him ?
     
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  2. Jack TheLad

    Jack TheLad Well-Known Member

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    Doesn’t matter who the manager is, he’s still got to manage a pile of ****.
     
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  3. Teessidemackem

    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    Is a Kunt... end of story.
     
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  4. flandersmackem

    flandersmackem Well-Known Member

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    With this squad, it really makes no difference who is manager....Just my opinion, but when Big Sam went, our decline was already cast in stone, everything since has been an unmitigated disaster
     
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  5. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    We're down either way. Don't care. Why bother with another payoff?
     
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  6. Dorset

    Dorset Well-Known Member

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    Yes I would keep him. Look back the four months he's been in charge.
    • Inherited a terrible squad of players who all have a loosing mentality, half of whom want to move on.
    • Rodwell (say no more)
    • Injuries a plenty to key players
    • ****e keepers
    • Red card suspensions
    • An absent chairman who can't bother his arse to fly over and meet his manager.
    • No investment in playing staff
    • A half empty stadium where a significant number of ' fans' are on the players backs the minute a mistake is made.
    Could any manager in the world manage a club successfully with all of the above to contend with?

    I think not!
     
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  7. Nacho

    Nacho Well-Known Member

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    Apart from whatever you might think about Coleman, if you can envisage a situation where Short pays him off and then forks out for the level of manager who might actually make a difference then it's time to put down the crack pipe because you've melted your brain.

    I've got a couple of issues with Coleman specifically not giving Stryjek a go and being too reluctant to attack but overall he's doing no better or worse than any other manager in this league could do. I can't think of any manager we've had who I'd describe as perfect there's always things they do that I don't agree with.
     
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  8. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely. More than capable manager with the resources and that's the world he should be managing in. But right now Sir Alex couldn't sort us. This is the real world. So no point laying off managers and costing more money that will effect the next window
     
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  9. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    I think the word 'might' is being kind. I don't think any manager could sort us. Any.
     
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  10. Nacho

    Nacho Well-Known Member

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    If by sorted you mean around the playoffs then no I don't either but I do think your likes of Pep and Jose would have got us enough points to keep us up.

    It's irrelevant though because we don't live in fantasy land.
     
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  11. RedNWhite4Life

    RedNWhite4Life Well-Known Member

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    Don't agree with much Coleman had done since he arrived in terms of team selections and substitutions. Also seems very cautious to me especially when draws are now no good to us.

    That said I lay zero blame at his door. We've got a bunch of utterly spineless ****ers playing for us with maybe 2 or 3 exceptions.
     
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  12. QWOP

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    You’re still not a million miles away from survival. There’s still time. Those around you aren’t pulling up any trees and Coleman isn’t a terrible manager. I’d keep him and not rock the boat.
     
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  13. Brian Storm

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    I mean sorted as in early safety. the very minimum any club should strive for. I think it's an alien world to the two you mentioned and they'd struggle. Long term coaching they could improve us but we needed someone to make us adequate short term, that requires funding and a good eye for a player. We never got the funding so don't think anyone could have done **** other than one glaring mistake. We were one adequate goalkeeper from being a lot better of that lies with Grayson. The half million wasted on Steele is as bad as the 6m on Jozy or the 10m on Rodwell, should have had better for that money. It will be the difference between safety and relegation imo. But regardless, Short should have funded a promotion push, got us back where the money is and learn lessons on recruitment, and wages this time.

    I maintain though, I think Coleman and Grayson are adequate despite their weaknesses, the problem is beyond no margin of error, it required turning water into wine, we couldn't afford that sort of manager and even if we could I still wouldn't fancy their chances without spends.
     
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  14. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    It's in our own hands, loads of points to play for, but we can't stop making individual mistakes. We'll sink ourselves on our own doing.
     
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  15. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

    TheJudeanPeoplesFront Well-Known Member

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    No ****ing way! You're quibbling over £500k spent on a goalkeeper? Even if there were better options available for that money (and I challenge you to think of any, because £500k is **** all), North East teams seriously struggle recruiting players, especially since our owners aren't willing or able to pay the going rate anymore.

    We have Darlow and Elliot on our books, and they are ****e.

    This season's shocker has been down to about 90% board problems, and 10% players. There are still some decent players at the club who have badly underperformed for both managers. Both managers I respect as being good man managers, so if neither of them can light a fire under them, it's the players.

    The positive is that in league one, if the club does go down, all the parasites will have to be moved on.
     
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  16. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if Warnock would of been any good.:emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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  17. Nacho

    Nacho Well-Known Member

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    I thought you might haha.
     
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  18. marcusblackcat

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    Yet another “little general” thread who asks for opinions but ignores all previous! Who do you want instead as you want him gone? Who, in their right mind, would take this on?

    Yes I would keep Coleman. He’s improved out points per game from previous manager and NONE of what’s happening is his fault
     
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  19. Reggie the Cheddar

    Reggie the Cheddar Well-Known Member

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    I know you're talking fantasy but what makes you think that pep would have saved us? He's spent 1 billion in 9 years as a manager at rich, powerful established clubs. He's a charlatan, a cheque book manager he's never had to bring a squad together through adversity and never will. In a situation relative to ours he'd be no better than Warnock.
    Sorry for the rant I just don't go along with the sky sports cock sucking of pep. He's just a fashionable sports personality like Anthony Joshua and like Joshua he's far from the best in his field just the most marketable and in a privileged position.
     
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  20. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    Sam Johntsone moved on a cheap loan, John Ruddy moved for free. half decent championship keepers still cost peanuts. Very good ones you pick up for around 1m-1.5m. If you think Jason Steele is worth 500k you need your head examining.
     
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