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Just being Pragmatic

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by flandersmackem, Feb 18, 2018.

  1. DAPARKERSAFC

    DAPARKERSAFC Well-Known Member

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    Might be totally off but is administration am option when the money is owed to Short?

    I can't see how we are losing £3m a week.
    I know the debt is large and we have high interest loans but we've slashed the wage bill and brought in huge revenue with prem income and the sale of Pickford.

    We should be better off financially right now than we were at the end of last season
     
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  2. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    he will have the best yank accountants to fiddle the books in his favour, that money can buy
     
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  3. haslam

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    Figures aren't released until the end of the following financial year so for everyone on the outside there's a lot of guesswork.

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    Parachute payments
    Wage bill cut
    Player sales in the summer
    Loans are to the owner (I think?)

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    Staggered payments out - you are still paying for players
    Staggered payments in - so the figures in the summer aren't immediately helpful
    Wage bill still pretty meaty especially loan players you are covering and the likes of Rodwell
    Income from league much less
    Featured matches minimal so millions less that previous years


    I also don't see how you would be losing £3m a week, seems unlikely to me. £3m a month perhaps.
    If you can survive and hold out until the summer financially then the wage bill will be cut much more and hopefully some money brought in from sales.
     
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  4. Brian Storm

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    Borini's fee doesn't even cover Rodwell's wages fella. Don't know how much you think we'll raise from them but they won't even come close to covering this seasons losses sadly.
     
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  5. Brian Storm

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    50m million we've spent on them, not how much they're worth. Look at Borini. we paid at least 10m. the set fee to sell is 5.5m. even if we could get 50m for them which we won't, not anywhere near, we lose waaaaaaaaaaaaay more than 50m this season. Well be very lucky to get 20m from those players.
     
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  6. haslam

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    My understanding is that administration entered into before the 4th Thursday in March means penalty points are limited to this season. This would give 6 games for the powers in charge to work out whether relegation is a sure thing or whether to role the dice on survival (IF finances are as bad as some are suggesting). This means:

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  7. The Little General

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    I don't see anyway out looking at other clubs it has happened to. Shorts gonna take his cash back and let the club flip with the debt.
    You had him nailed all along Bri.
     
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  8. Brian Storm

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    I think he'll lose every penny and more. The bloke doesn't seem to know when to cut and run.
     
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  9. gelders pie

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    Every cloud has a silver lining. It’ll be a long time, if ever, that we’ll have to hear a mag say “we’ve bettered your six in a row. “
     
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  10. HorsleyHillCat

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    We've gone down quicker than a nuclear submarine
     
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  11. HorsleyHillCat

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    I wonder what Peter Reid & Niall Quinn think of what's happened!
     
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  12. monty987

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    What about shares ? how much would they raise, what about huge concerts at the SOL, he better do something. There should have been a point when we went say £30m in debt and changed things.
     
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  13. marcusblackcat

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    All depends on when (if) he does it - if he has half a brain, then surely, if we are guaranteed to be relegated this season, you pull the plug at that point - thus avoiding a -10 starting point next season and, with administrators in charge, we would be an attractive proposition.

    Correct me if I am wrong though - isn't most of our debt to one of his companies or him? If that is that case, then administration will do nothing for him as that debt will be truncated and he'll lose a large amount of the money he has put in? This is the only reason I can think of it not happening - as our debt is to the guy who holds the purse strings or a company he is largely invested in, then administration would leave him massively out of pocket surely?
     
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  14. Brian Storm

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    Screw Quinn, All this started with him. Granted we've had more than enough time to correct it but the money wasted and the ****ty players on high wages and long contracts crippled us and led to decisions like Di Fanti. Quinn marks the begging of our downfall.
     
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  15. Brian Storm

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    It's the reason we won't go into administration now when we need to and the reason by the time we go in to it it will be way too late. He loses everything full stop, he can't get his money back now imo. Longer he takes the less chance of a future imo. Remember, when the FFP are calling in the fine we'll owe, administration becomes out of short's hands. We can be forced. We do have 3rd party debts to a bank too. Due to be paid off in 2019. Again, we can can be forced into administration if we can't pay it.
     
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