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Cheltenham 2018: Antepost Thread

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by DreverSpur, Mar 20, 2017.

  1. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    <laugh> They never win it though.


    Apart from Lord Windermere at around 62 on Bf in the worst GC ever.
     
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  2. And Bob's Worth - and Denman
     
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  3. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Forgot about Denman. Bloody plodder.
     
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    What does everyone think about Faugheens entry in the Stayers Hurdle then? Anyone see any sense in it?
     
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  5. Ron

    Ron Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Difficult to say Captain. Don't forget Kauto Star was a 2 mile hurdler and he won 2 Gold Cups
     
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    Yep very true although that was early on in his career then he was stepped up in trip which is not that unusual. I think Faugheen has run once over 3 miles in his life and they are suddenly going to step him up to 3 miles at the ripe old age of 10? Seems very very odd to me...
     
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    Ron Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Crikey, is he 10? Time flies
     
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  8. Pilgrim

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    Foxhunter Chase

    Burning Ambition 8/1

    He was second in his first PTP and then he has walked in the other four that he has run. His only race "under rules" in Limerick was spectacular, although it is true that he had no serious enemies.

    Still unmarked and it seems that soon will run in Punchestown, but it is even possible that enter with invitation. He is only seven years old and it looks good. Perhaps most surprising is that it is the current favorite without being contrasted.

    Normally I do not bet on such low odds in an early bet, but with NRNB and waiting for the handicaps, I think you can take the risk.
     
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    Really like this one myself, since my original nag for it KILLULTAGH VIC recovered a bit too well and their eying up bigger pots for him! Absolutely hacked up over Christmas time, was the worst kept secret in Ireland he was the perennial good thing. Still a decent price imo at 8/1 too.
     
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  11. Chaninbar

    Chaninbar The Crafty Cockney

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    Although it's not really in the Corinthian spirit it looks look ol boy Nicholls is targeting this race. He's got 4 towards the head of the market including last year's 1st and 2nd. I reckon if he can get Virak qualified (needs another 1st or 2nd I think) he'd have an outstanding chance at 12/1.
     
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  12. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    Its 8/1 with Betfair sportsbook, be lucky to get £1.50 on with them.

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  13. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    im falling for the hype here, another one for the portfolio, dont let me down lads

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  14. Pilgrim

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    Before betting I saw the Limerick race four times but I already said that race is not to take it into account. It's true that it was an open secret and that's why I'm a little scared. I read that the trainer was going to give him another race in Punchestown to accustom him to running with many horses, I imagine that on February 11th. If there he shows everything that is told about him, his quota will plummet. He is young and that worries me. Last year I thought that Ask The Weatherman was going to devastate and it was not like that. Also with this horse I have broken my rule in regards to early bets so I hope I do not have to regret it.

    Sorry for the spelling mistakes, I said in my first post that I'm not English and I'm afraid to write a lot.
     
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  15. Pilgrim

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    JLT Novices Chase

    Since becoming a Grade 1 there are not many horses running in this race. Keeping that in mind, and although it seems that Finian's Oscar will eventually run here, it's also true that many of the market leaders will not be on the starting line, so I'm going to give Kalondra a vote of confidence. His race a month and a half ago in Cheltenham impressed me, and although I am concerned about his previous defeat against Modus where he was clearly beaten, in the odds he moves now I think it's worth taking the risk. Saturday has a very tough commitment at Sandown, the most difficult to date, against very serious rivals but if he does well, his odds will have nothing to do with what he has at the moment. Obviously e/w.

    Kalondra 25/1 Ladbrokes, Coral, William Hill.

    Kalondra 20/1 NRNB Bet365

    Champion Bumper

    Although when this race is named to everyone comes the name of Mullins at the head the truth is that he has not won it for four years. Hollowgraphic is yours and is the current favorite but maybe you have to look at another horse that is still about to debut and that it is possible that he can do well if in the end someday he does. Aione won her only point-to-point to date and seems to be held in high regard in the stable. The bets in the NRNB market are low, 16/1 and 20/1, for a horse that is a mystery, but if you want to take the risk many bookies offer 33/1 that seems more fair. Of course also e/w.

    Aione 33/1
     
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    25 winners of this race thus far and only 4 of them started their racing in the point to point sphere. The positive for you would be that Willie Mullins was the trainer of all four!
     
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    Not many of them would have made their rules debut less than six weeks before the festival.
     
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  18. Pilgrim

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    Then I can look at the glass half full or half empty.

    Now seriously, I know it is very complicated but I am convinced that if the horse at the end runs (which I really put in doubt) it sure does not come out with the current odds.
     
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  19. DreverSpur

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    The increasing activity on this thread has spurred me to assess my antepost punts thus far - makes for grim reading <doh> Neon Wolf, Death Duty, Yorkhill (GC), Finian's Oscar have almost destroyed me and tbh, the bets still standing won't exactly blow up your skirt <laugh>

    I shall knock together a spreadsheet and bare all shortly...
     
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  20. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    Albert Bartlett - Fabulous Saga 20/1

    Stays all day and has been winning the right races in Ireland, his last race the Dorrans Pride has been won by 2 of the last 3 winners of this race, Penhill and Martello Tower, and Weapons Amnesty also won it en route winning this. He got well beaten giving 4 pounds to Cracking Smart earlier in the season but Walsh ran him like a pacemaker that day, he looks to have improved a fair bit since then going a much more sensible gallop so hopefully that was a red herring. He is second fav for the Golden Cygnet this weekend and if he was to run a good second to Samcro the form could look decent come the day, Weapons Amnesty and Martello Tower both finished 2nd in this race. A lot of form on heavy ground but seems to go on anything.
     
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