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The Allams meet with Hull Tigers Council...

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  1. The B&S Fanclub

    The B&S Fanclub Well-Known Member

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    After reaching an agreement with Peter Grieve to sell the club (allegedly) then going back on the agreement before signing, because of potential interest from China (allegedly) and not informing Mr Grieve of their intention not to go ahead, but to speak to the Chinese, then I wouldn't trust these pair of time-wasters as far as I could throw them.
     
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  2. Trumpton Tiger.

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    Your presuming that Pete Grieve actually had the money.
     
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  3. Edelman

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    Unfortunately when they finally leave they will leave the club in a position where top flight football may not be attainable .
     
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  4. Gone For A Walk

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    They decided Bruce had wasted enough money. On that they were right. But how they handled his exit and what followed was obviously very wrong. The club's seat at the top table was lost that day, and i believe it will never now return. Allams, you f.ucked it up.
     
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  5. DaveSpencer

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    None of those at that meeting have any influence over planning issues
    Interested to know how you come to that conclusion when there are, at present, ten members and six are Labour? There could be seventeen members but I suspect not many councillors want to sit on it. The ruling party are, under proportionality rules, entitled to eleven of the seventeen seats.
     
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  6. howdentiger

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    I Know they arnt
     
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  7. The B&S Fanclub

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    From the story I was told he had the conkers and was actually waiting for wonder-boy to turn up in London to sign the papers, but wonder-boy didn't turn up. That's what I was told. I assume its true, but note the word 'assume'.
     
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  8. Arnold_Lane_HCFC

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    Whether he did or didn't he was still shafted by the conniving couple
     
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  9. Cortez91

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    “Wasted enough”?

    They’ve made massive profits on many of his signings: Long, Chester, Brady, Livermore, Snodgrass, Maguire, Clucas, Robertson, etc.

    The only money Bruce tended to waste was that spent on strikers. We had a few duds. But the profits elsewhere made up for that.
     
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  10. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

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    Quiet right, The Allams have made a very nice return on Bruce's signing. As you said the only down side has been strikers, but I think he was only trying to find a cheap option in other leagues and hope they came good. If you want a striker these days you have to shell out a lot of money to get a good one, or strike it lucky.
     
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  11. TigerinSydney

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    And whilst Bruce wasn't prolific in signing goal scorers he did try and make Charlie Austin one of his first premier league signings. Things would have been so different if our medical team knew their way around a scan.
     
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  12. Charon

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    To be fair the massive increase in tv money leading to the massive increase in transfer fees led to the Allams latterly making some big profits on transfers - before this increase it was a different story - neither Chester , nor arguably Brady were Bruce signings, he made the loan permanent having originally been brought in by Pearson, the money made on Long was almost compensated by the loss on Jelavic - Brucie overpaid for Snodgrass, who was already injured when he bought him and Livermore and we only just got our money back on them both despite the massive increase in fees already mentioned - the majority of the profits were made on Maguire, Robertson and Clucas who were definitely good signings/ prospects - there will probably be a huge loss on Hernandez the way things are going. at one stage we were struggling to get half his transfer fee offered for him - in addition Brucie all but gave away Cairney, now valued at £20 million and Cooper who must be worth at least £5 million, preferring to keep Meyler and Junior who we got/will get nothing for

    So - when Brucie left his record on transfers wasn't that good, there'd been a number of losses, ie £2/3/4 million million on players like Prozzy Sagbo Diomande so you can see why having spent around £40 million in the transfer window and then getting us relegated why the Allams wouldn't trust him with any more of their money - on that basis alone the £40 million was wasted and one of the key reasons why the Allams pulled the financial plug - that in turn led to a fall in investment in the team, the decision to get their money back before it was too late and the reason why were in the mess we are today, it all comes back to Brucie spunking £40 million and getting us relegated, yes he got us back but the team was significantly worse than the team that got us relegated, there was no way the Allams were going to trust him another £40 million
     
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  13. HCAFC (Airlie Tiger)

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    Wasting money? He's made them a small fortune, look at the profit they've made from selling off Bruce's signings.

    Sure he signed a few duds but all managers do.

    I don't think many owners will see such a high profit margin from such a relatively small level of investment in the transfer market.
     
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    Actually with the sale of Long and Boyd the net spend that relegation season was about £26 million, he then got us promoted and actually made them a profit of £20 million in the process.

    £6 million in net transfers over two years is a tiny amount for a Premier League / Top Championship team.

    You could argue Hernandez has already paid for himself, without his 20 odd goals we wouldn't have been promoted and banked the £100 million plus in PL money, anything we get back for him is a bonus.

    Cairney wasn't good enough and we didn't have the time to develop him, it took a fair few years of regular championship football to get him to the level he is now, time we couldn't have given him, he wouldnt have that value if he stayed with us, although he's never worth £20 million. Same with Cooper, sometimes you have to let prospects go because they won't develop without game time, just look at Pogba.
     
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  15. Gone For A Walk

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    Thanks. Saved me the typing.
    There are other names that could be added too.
    Why let facts get in the way of a good debate eh.

    As for developing players .... it's not that he didn't have time. It's that he couldn't be arsed and / or wasn't capable (both in my opinion), but instead would rather spunk the money. And please don't claim he developed Maguire, Robertson and Clucas. He didn't (particularly the 1st 2).
     
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  16. Asterix

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    Profit on Snodgrass? Yea right. And it could be argued Silva was responsible for the massive increase in value for Clucas and Macguire.

    Bruce is a shopaholic. A new team every season, wherever he has managed.

    My thoughts on his transfer dealings are muddied by his hiring junior, not forgetting the signing of the only German in the history of world football to miss a penalty.
     
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  17. ImperialTiger

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    But without someone of Bruce's calibre, we'd never have got close to signing Thomas Müller.
     
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  18. Asterix

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    The new TV deal was a big factor in the selling prices.
     
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  19. originallambrettaman

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    Cairney was good enough, letting him go was a mistake, as was getting rid of Rosenior.
     
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  20. Asterix

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    I will concede Bruce can get a team promoted. And then? A year later, back to where we were.
     
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