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Gap between C'ship and the Prem shrinking?

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by bcfcredandwhite, Dec 18, 2017.

  1. Oldsparkey

    Oldsparkey Well-Known Member
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    You're right about Warnock only having a contract to the end of this season. Personally, I'd like him to stay if we were fortunate to get up. I doubt another "Leicester" can happen - that must be regarded as a complete one off. The sensible thing for any promoted club would be to aim at just staying there.

    With the new television deals struck and the relevant merchandising that come with the package, any club that gets up there is guaranteed to receive a gross income something around £300M even if they come straight back down.

    If they can avoid the drop for 2 seasons that amount has been projected to rise to a staggering £1Bn. Of course those resources have to be spent on players and wages during that time, but sensible housekeeping should return handsome profits rather than the all too familiar reported losses we hear so much about.

    It would be a struggle for Warnock and that's what I think he doesn't want to go through - he's already said many times he doesn't like the Premier League. However. if staying there is all important, then Warnock would be the right candidate if that's what he wanted.

    It's been reported recently that as well as making cash avilable to Warnock in January, Tan has also instructed our chairman Mehmet Dalman to offer Neil a new contract for next year whichever division we find ourselves in.
     
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  2. Reliant Robin TC2

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    If Colin does get Cardiff up, I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire, going out on a high. If that is the case, I for one would be sorry to see him go.

    He is a character you love or hate, as has been voiced numerous times on this site as well as many others. But he keeps things interesting and fun, whether you are a supporter of the team he is managing, or, as in our case, his long-term opponents. He knows how to get the best out of his side (players and supporters) and often, the worst out of the opposition (players and supporters!!).

    I am sure that over the years ahead, many amusing tales will be recounted about him by football fans all over the country.
     
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  3. TampaBayBCFC

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    Colin is what his surname says....he is one of the biggest whingers in the game.

    But, there is no doubt that he is a master if man management at this level.

    I doubt many City fans would have complained if he had come to us, steadied the ship and vastly improved Ys like he has done at Cardiff.

    The game needs him and his like!
     
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  4. Cliftonville

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    The game needs far less of his like. His ilk are why football has not progressed in the UK as it should have. BCFC are doing things in a football form the right way (now). There is a playing philosophy in place. Academy successes like Joe Bryan would be wasted within his football.
     
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  5. bcfcredandwhite

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    There has been almost as much debate about NW as there has been LJ over the years. I like him - but accept that many don't.
    Having said that I wouldn't swop him for LJ right now - despite Cardiff being 2nd and us 3rd.
    Again, should Cardiff get promoted and we miss out then I would expect some of us to moan that we should have had Warnock instead of LJ blah blah, but not me. Disappointed as I would be, I see NW as a short-term 'fixer' rather than a long-term strategic plan.
    NW is very, very good at taking over a sinking club and putting them back on track again. I don't suppose the fans care how survival is achieved when staring relegation in the eye - as long as it is actually achieved.
    Clearly, he's doing more than 'fixing' Cardiff at the moment - but we will see how long that lasts.
     
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  6. Oldsparkey

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    It's an opinion and valid in itself for that reason, but advocating the sterile nature of football as opposed to the more flamboyant aspects of the game is going to send everyone to sleep. The game needs life breathed into not theorists on the sidelines boring us to death.

    Blaming the likes of Warnock and Holloway for the "lack of progress in the game in this country" is absolute rubbish. I don't want to get into a debate about aspects of coaching and advancement of academy recruits. That has far more to do with the obscene money being thrown around at Premier League level to buy players in rather than the managers and clubs in the lower tiers failing to bring through their own.

    I've no knowledge of your academy system over there but what is completely opposed to your rant at Warnock is the fact that he's completely overhauled the Academy and Development systems at Cardiff this past 18 months. Out have gone the hangers on and no hopers - yes, all clubs have got those - and in have come vibrant young players who haven't had a chance at other clubs. Two who have been messed around in the past have arrived from Leeds only this week.

    As far as the OP is concerned, this is not about managers and was focused on the suggested closing gap between the Prem and Championship. All that has been suggested about managers is the fact that different tiers within the pyramid require different types of management. As far as that goes, Warnock is head and shoulders above his contemporaries in that sector.
     
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  7. johngalleyfan2

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    the game would be excessively boring without characters like NW .. although it would cut down on posts knocking them
    NW keep it up, but only just enough to get to play offs .. a wicked Wembglee final would be City v City ......
     
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  8. Angelicnumber16

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    As per another thread and re the lack of characters in the game.

    I can't help but like NW.

    He tells it as it is, and is 100% committed, even if it is through rose tinted spectacles sometimes. But he's a character none the less that will be badly missed when he hangs up his tracksuit.
     
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    2nd in the Prem vs 3rd in the Championship.

    I rest my case ..........
     
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  10. Cliftonville

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    The character of a pub drunk can be entertaining.

    The point being made was about the ethos of BCFC. Mr Warnock does not play that way. Mr Warnock does not Manage that way, and one of the best players on the pitch last night in Joe Bryan would not have the same opportunity to develop into the fine rounded footballer he is under a short term thinking Mr Warnock.
     
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    a point which can never be proven
     
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  12. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    An opinion with a valid basis. Mr Warnock wants to Manage and control. Mr Warnock would not want to adhere to BCFC's philosophy and pillars just as another in Mr Cotterill did not either.

    Mr Warnock had always favoured pomo type football. A possession based player like Joe Bryan does not play like that, neither does the academy, the U teams ... That is not Mr Warnocks way.
     
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    Looking at Joe Bryan last night. There was no gap to that lad. Beautiful player.
     
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    On the back of that performance and goal we may struggle to keep him in January. I hope to God we do!!
     
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