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Effect of Brexit

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  1. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    It has taken the EU negotiators ages to actually realise that all components of the deal regarding the UK leaving the EU are intertwined and cannot be discussed in isolation. The EU simply employed those tactics to try to leverage more cash from the UK.

    Thankfully we are leaving before the superstate sets sail.
     
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  2. Tobes

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    Errrmmm because the European Union is in errrrrmm Europe

    Found one yet?

    Thought not.
     
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    The superstate won't happen as there's no popular will for it to happen #projectfear
     
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    Due to the red lines, which have already created problems, and will do so even more in the future, there is only one deal currently between a non-European country and the EU that goes anywhere near what the UK thinks it might get, and that is the Canadian one. That agreement which took eight years to agree, does not include financial services. For those who say we just pick up and replicate existing deals, it is not going to work as those deals have been negotiated with EU law in mind. As the UK wishes to leave many of these rules and laws behind much of the text would have to be rewritten.
    Of course no one actually knows what the UK government has in mind as there has been no discussion within in the Cabinet. It is all very vague still as to how much this will cost the country to have a similar, but worse deal than the one we have at present.
     
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  5. superhorns

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    I cannot see any logic why an EU trade deal with a European country would need to be any different from one outside of Europe. Perhaps you can explain.
     
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    The EU politicians and eurocrats don't care what the proletariat think, as shown by their many example of previous contempt.
     
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    i think it's called geography combined with the 4,pillars that make up the fundamentals of the Union Pops.
     
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    I think you'll find that their electorates care.
     
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  9. superhorns

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    So you don't have an answer.
     
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    I've given you the answer it's called the EUROPEAN union. If you want to join the club you pay your subs and adhere to the rules.

    If you're not part of Europe you can't join

    Genius isn't it
     
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    That is why the eurocrats do not ask the electorate, and if they do it is policy to keep asking until the result matches the eurocrats view.
     
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    There's simply no populist desire for a USofE and it therefore won't happen. The same Eurocrats have been saying the same things for years their views aren't backed by anything barring a small minority of EU idealists

    All of which is irrelevant anyway as we always had the power of veto and would never have entertained it. Brexiteers now shouting we told you so, is just white noise
     
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    I take it that you are in favour of the UK Parliament asking people if they approve of any deals they come to.
     
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    Have you not noticed the UK voted to leave the EU? We do not want to be in the EU limiting club but merely have a free trade deal without the other conditions not forced on non European countries. There is no reason why the UK cannot trade on similar terms apart from the obvious EU spite.
     
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    I am in favour of respecting parliament's directive to ask the people in a referendum which resulted in a vote to leave the EU, this must be carried out.
     
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    No, there is definitely a headwind in favour of a superstate with the President of France and now senior German politicians making it policy. For the euroland to work it is actually essential for this to happen, unless it does the Germans will continue to prosper at the expense of Southern nations.
     
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    There is no country in the World which has absolute free trade with the EU. There are some restrictions in all cases. There is no country which has eg. the same conditions of trade which exist between Germany and the Netherlands. Britain apparently wants to keep all of the advantages of free trade (as if they were still a member, and in a more completed form than those possible for eg. Canada), yet does not want to observe any of the other rules. This is not possible with countries which are as geographically close to each other as Germany, or France, and the UK. What you are essentually saying to Europe is - we want your trade and your money, but we don't want you, or any of the other obligations of neighbourhood.
     
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    If you are talking about Martin Schulz then he is not in a position of being able to make policy for anyone, apart from the SPD.
     
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    Which is where the problem arises. Some like your hero Farage are saying this is not what people voted for, while others are saying this shows that there will be the softest Brexit imaginable which is what people wanted. No one knows what people did think they were getting, so once a deal is worked out, if it ever gets to that point, it is only right that more clarity is sought by asking the population.
     
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    There's every reason why we can't trade on the same terms, and it's called the EU rules ffs.

    We're in Europe, we're not on the opposite side of the globe, we've been part of the club and now we're leaving, we can't been seen to leave and still enjoy all of the benefits only without paying and not abiding by the rules of the trade bloc. Is this somehow news ffs?
     
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