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  1. astro

    astro Well-Known Member

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    #brexit means (everything but) #brexit
     
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  2. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    hmmmmmmm

    Trump-Russia probe: Mueller 'demands Deutsche Bank data

    someone knows where tge money went...
     
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  3. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Hasn't the **** stuck his inane ****ing nose into the Middle East now?
     
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    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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  6. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    He is making more enemies than friends.
     
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  7. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    He doesn't give a ****. The presidency has been about one thing for him. Getting deals for his business. Either by destroying legislation that stands in his way, reducing taxes on his empire, paying back favours to those countries that either loaned him money or he wants a private deal with. Look at who he or his family gave courted.

    Russia, China, Phillipines, Israel, Saudi Arabia, ( on this one listen less to their reaction to the Jerusalem response and more to the Iran side of things; Saudis have been back channelling with Israel quite a bit recently due to this common threat)

    It's exactly why Muller has started looking at Trump private finances....follow the money.
     
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  9. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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  10. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    Alabama election: Democrat Jones defeats Roy Moore in Senate upset
    Doug Jones has become the first Democrat in 25 years to win a US Senate seat for Alabama after a bitter campaign against Republican Roy Moore.

    His unexpected victory deals a blow to President Donald Trump, who backed Mr Moore, and narrows the Republican majority in the Senate to 51-49.

    Mr Moore has so far refused to concede. All votes have now been counted.

    He fought a controversial campaign, in which allegations surfaced of sexual misconduct with teenage girls.

    Mr Moore, a firebrand conservative who has said he believes that homosexual activity should be illegal, has repeatedly denied the claims against him.


    The contest was for the seat vacated by US Attorney General Jeff Sessions earlier this year.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42333712



     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    serious blow to republicans. Trump is blaming postal votes, probably ranting about non alamba people voting or something.

    Bascially a red to the core state flipped blue. We cannot say if this is down to the allegations of serious sexual abuse or if its a trump protest.

    the senate is now 51 to 49 so its a knife edge.

    what we can say is the republican candidate in the primary that trump backed was not selected so trump then rowed in behind a guy who's been struck off the judiciary in the state for misconduct calling him the law and order candidate and very very serious charges on sex crimes are outstanding. Disaster zone basically.

    anyone thingk north korea will be getting a rattle within the next 24-48 hours?
     
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  12. Muppetfinder General

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    Ah, the same stereotyping of the unemployed the ignorant right has always done.

    Freedom of movement would be a lovely Lennonesque dream if it were about cultural diversity. But it isn't, it's about providing corporate multinationalism with a cheap labour pool to control wage demands and allow them to eke maximum profit, which as Marx explained, Capitalism demands. It used to be that if a union made demands considered unreasonable, the factory owners would threaten to move the factory abroad. Now they don't even need to pay to do that, because they can bring the workforce to the factory.

    It beggars belief that so many left wingers have taken the side of the right over globalisation within such a short time. We were out on the streets against it less than 20 years ago. Now the left is sucking corporate dick in fear of being labelled racist. I have lovely Polish neighbours, who work in the supermarkets that wouldn't even give me an interview a few years ago when I was unemployed. I don't blame them for coming here to earn twice what they could at home. But the claim that the unemployed don't want to work is a plain, stinking, Mail-inspired lie, and shame on you for regurgitating it.

    That bullshit TV programme about the recruitment agency was just more pauper porn. As anybody who's been unemployed knows, if you refuse a job, they stop your benefit. In 2012 I was sent to one of the biggest agencies sucking up millions in public money to do the DWP's dirty work, which has less than a 5% success rate, and in 13 weeks the agent I was assigned to found me 2 jobs to apply for. I was finding more every week by myself, including the job I eventually got.

    I don't deny there are probably one or two weed dealers who don't really want 6am starts stacking shelves with tins of baked beans but I wanted to work, just like the thousands of others like me I saw at the Jobcentre. Who fits more conveniently into the pauper porn, me or the weed dealer? Let me give you a clue: no TV cameras came round our way.

    Of course, without Latvians doing 12 backbreaking hours a day in a field for a pittance on an industialised farm run by a corporation, you might have to pay a bit more for your watery strawberries. Poor you.

    How does this fit in with Trump though, MFG? you ask. Reasonable question.

    'Populism' has become a dirty word, journalistic shorthand for ignorant, uneducated, uninformed, uncultured, racist, thuggish...choose your own adjective. What it actually means is "the political philolosophy of the People's Party. Grass roots democracy; working-class activism."

    That is not Donald Trump but it is why he succeeded, or perhaps more accurately, where Clinton failed.

    Brexit, Sanders, Syriza and other "populist" movements have happened for the same reasons, not because the world suddenly "lurched to the right." The right has simply identified it quicker. This is still something I worry the left is being slow to realise and accept.

    We innocently bought the Clash's Sandinista album like we were funding the fight against Somoza and dictators everywhere. The Sandinista leaders were all published poets. One was also a priest. You can't say they were uneducated and uncultured neo-nazis. They were populists trying to effect change. Ditto Che Guevara in Cuba.

    I've appealed to people to address the policies but to avoid stereotyping those who voted, because it's not that simple anymore. People who voted twice for Obama voted for Trump. That's not easy to explain; easier to just stereotype them all as redneck hillbillies in Lynyrd Skynyrd teeshrts. Jon Stewart, a lberal voice of reason in the US, said the same thing. You don't make muslims a monolith, they're individuals, but the same thing is being done with Trump voters.

    I've voted Labour all my life. I'm not one of those who swings elections. The far right do not swing elections. The people who decide elections are the middle ground, the supposedly "reasonable" people.

    The same people who resist change once hung posters of the Clash and Che Guevara on their walls. Now they long to maintain a status quo which has brought the human race to the edge of extinction, fearful of change, while labelling any demand for change as a desire to return to the past. Why? Because Emma Thompson said so? The Guardian's business editor, Larry Elliot, wrote many articles with facts on why he supported Leave. Its environment correspondent, George Monbiot, was also for Leave. Paul Wilson, its most left wing journalist, wanted Leave but wanted to wait for a Labour government to do it, which wasn't really an option because it was now or never. Meanwhile, the Guardian's showbiz and fashion correspondents were for Remain. Yet the same old cliches about Leave having no facts and being uninformed continued. I asked a few Remainers to explain the difference between the European Commission and the European Council to me. None of them could. So much for being informed.

    But the EU protects our rights, MFG, I hear whispered from the back of the class. Does it really?

    The same people who claim that also tut about the horror stories coming out of Amazon warehouses - a bloke had to camp in a tent outside because they were charging him for their own bus to work - and they protest the ability of multinationals to move profits around the EU to avoid paying tax. Yay, the workers!

    The discrimination directive wasn't passed because EU leaders considered it "too expensive" and they're laws we can do better ourselves. They're right. The party which once gave us Section 28 introduced gay marriage. Meanwhile, some of those EU nations still mandatorily sterilise transgender people. Of course you don't mind being in a political institution with them but you don't want to live there, right? Maybe that's why so many people after the referendum declared they were moving to New Zealand (rather than Latvia), oblivious to the irony that New Zealand is not in the EU and we're about to become quite New Zealandish, once the EU stops trying to punish us like an abusive husband for wanting to leave.
     
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  13. BobbyD

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    <applause><applause><applause>

    Very well written, very thoughtful. Glad to have you back MFG
     
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    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    You don't get more Republican than Alabama. Of course, this is more about Moore being an ephebophile than it is Trump or red vs blue.

    I wouldn't expect other racist red States to flip blue overnight.
     
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  15. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    i'd assume so.
     
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    this jones is just a cretin isn't he and if there's one thing those southerners hate more than a democrat it's a goddamn higgity giggity kiddy fiddlin cretin
     
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  17. FedLadSonOfAnfield

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    Anyway. They all die in the end <ok>
     
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  18. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    The strength of global opposition to Trumps stance on Jerusalem is encouraging <ok>
     
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  20. DirtyFrank

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    I wasn't generalizing so was ...actually I forgot; it's you.

    You are not here for a discussion it's simply your annual angry pronouncements from on high about how thick we all are and then you'll **** off again.

    You still have some fanboys on here who think your MO is cool. I just think it's a waste of both our time. So off you toddle and crawl back into that whiskey bottle that appears to make you such an angry ****.

    You can sermonise on something again this time next year.
     
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