Match Day Thread 2017/18 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

Niasse given two game ban, Everton are 'disappointed with the ruling'. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42086238

"I think anywhere on the field it's a foul. He [Niasse] was shocked and I was shocked [by the charge]," Unsworth said.

Come off it. He was unfortunate to be the one picked out and made an example of, no question, but it may make others think twice and if it does it's not a ''dangerous precedent'' but a ''precedent'' that should be welcomed.

 

This now becomes the marker, a foul.

So based on this teams will hold it up as an example every time they feel they were cheated. Everton will raise it if they feel a similar simulation isn’t punished.

With this in mind, will a shoulder nudge in the middle of the park result in a yellow for simulation?

 

Wrote this and i stand by it.:

on another note Niasse has been done for diving.

Travesty of a decision. Whilst he goes over very very softly and simulates a much bigger contact, fact of the matter is Dann did impede him and did get in the way after the ball is gone which constitutes a foul and there was definitely more than minimal contact.

Standard FA rule for doing a small club and player thats not so popular (see non big name + foreigner) compared to all the other culprits who get away with zero contact diving.

 

Not the view of anyone not following the blues.

 

See above, it opens a can of worms. It was a foul.

Will defenders get fouls/done for simulation when watching a ball out and going down under the slightest contact?

 

Palace fans could say the 'travesty' was that a blatant dive took points off Palace.

 

Did it? What’s to say it didn’t galvanise Palace and allow them the hold on for a draw

 

That's subjective.

The reality is a penalty was awarded that maybe shouldn't have been and points were taken from Palace. Everton are far from the first to have players simulate and won't be the last, just unfortunate your player was picked on as the example.

 

I don't quite get what he's saying here:

The second sentence contradicts the first, imo.
Contact will be taken out of the game if every time anyone feels the slightest touch they fling themselves to the ground.
If we want football to stay a contact sport then players need to stay on their feet whenever possible, and refs need to give a foul if they think the contact merits it, regardless of whether or not there's a dying swan act.

 

What’s that say he didn’t try his best, that he was off balance?

The amount if contact should be defined and players wear load cells The ref gave a foul in the box.

If it were another team I would possibly feel the same. I believed the rule was conning without contact?

As I said above, if a defender is watching out a ball and goes down under little or no contact.....will that be punished?

 

I didn't see the incident and I'm not passing judgement on the player in this particular case. I'm just making a general comment.
I read Unsworth's statement and he didn't seem to quite be able to make up his mind on what he thought about contact.

It's a difficult thing for refs to judge, so they tend to go on the reaction of the "injured" player, which leaves them open to being conned by play-acting. If players continue with this then it's inevitable that one day all contact will be removed. Using retrospective judgement might be a way prevent that, but we'll have to see. Only the players themselves know whether they needed to go down or not, but some are obviously more honest than others.

 

So you can’t hope or expect players to not make the most of what is a foul......it was a foul.

 

If you didnt think it was a pen. At the end of the day of that happened not in the box it would be a free kick whether niasse flung himself to the floor. Dann makes a challenge doesnt win the ball and is directly stationed and in the way of niasse running to the ball. Soft yes as joel ward was covering but hes been impeded

 

What was? If you're talking about that specific incident I've already said I haven't seen it and I'm not referring to it.

I'm just making a general observation about the fact that players "making the most" of it will ultimately lead to all contact being outlawed.

 

Sort of disagree. Depends on the situation. Im not happy with players doing pre meditated dives or going over easily on purpose. In this particular scenario niasse does go over almost as if its pre meditated but in think its a grey area as he was anticipating a shoulder charge to his chest which he did get but a soft one as dann pulls out but is still there.

If he doesnt go down even though its a foul then he wont get the pen he deserves (well whether he deserves it is another matter looks like ward is on par with getting there). In reality he should stay on his feet but if you know refs arent giving it he should go down (especially if he isnt going through) .

In an ideal world he stays up and the ref gives it but that doesnt happen

 

Read my comment immediately before yours - then I won't have to repeat myself again.

 

But Danny, Thierry Henry was truly world class, whereas Carlton Pogba is nowhere him in those terms.

Pogba 'lifts United'
Basel 0-0 Manchester United

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Danny Mills

Ex-England defender on BBC Radio 5 live

It's a bit like when Arsenal would have had Thierry Henry not in the side. Other teams would look at it and go 'oh thank goodness'. If he's not on the team sheet you almost breath a sigh of relief. Paul Pogba comes in and the Basel players think 'oh he's dangerous' and that gives his own players a big lift. He's always available, always wants the ball.


#eveningdiego

 

I’m just confirming it was a foul, not a dive.

 

Fairynuff.

 

The FA are and have always been inconsistent when dishing out punishment.