Match Day Thread 2017/18 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

He had to sign 6 new players straight away to do it with Porto. Not sure what the Inter reference is in the back to back European trophies you're talking about.

 

He worked his way up from being a translator to assistant and then finally had a chance as a football manager. He took over at Benfica & Uniao De Leiria before Porto. Not like he just miraculously landed a job at Porto, that was down to years of hard work and graft under some of the best coaches in the world.

 

The UEFA/EL then CL.

 

signing cheap players doesn't count surely? Shanks got rid of his whole squad and spent a few bucks to create it

True.

Jose is a legend, won the biggest trophy multiple times against much favoured opposition. That is all

 

It seems like I am some sort of Jose fan.

He isn’t a nice fella in his job as a trophy collector and will donate everything to win, like SAF. Maybe being nice isn’t the way to be a winner.

If we are looking at managers who haven’t had to work their way up.....Pep.

 

I said it wasn't a good analogy because it wasn't. Alan Sugar started from the bottom and worked his way up. If he started again today, he'd still work his way up imo.

Mourinho training at Porto, Barcelona and Benfica hardly counts as starting at the bottom. There was a natural progression in the roles he had at those clubs if that's what you mean.

 

Sweden should deffo have had a penalty in that first half

 

To be fair I even disagree with that.

He managed Barca 'B' and proved himself there first.

 

I can understand why you should think this. After all, your team's rise from a middling non-entity into a big-hitter coincided with his original tenure.
Roman's dirty money had nothing to do with this, of course.

 

If that's the direction you're now going - I will see your Mourinho and raise you one Bob Paisley

 

Agreed, in hindsight, analogy wasn't the best.

The point that he did start at the bottom, still stands though. Going from Uniao De Leiria to Porto isn't 'natural progression', he obviously proved that he was something special to the Porto board with his performance as manager there.

 

The European cup did exist in Shank's day.

He qualified for it 3 times and got closest in his first go in 64-65 when he lost in the SF. Got knocked out in the second round the other 2 times.

Liverpool were in Europe in some competiton for every single season under Shankly from 64-65 till his last season in 73-74!!

He only won a UEFA cup (and lost a Cup Winners cup final) but definitely laid the foundations of the European success enjoyed by his successors.

 

I know, I never said it didn't. Read back - there was no Champions League in Shankly's day.

 

Well he is the 'special one' after all

 

Not sure you did. Like my Nigel Clough faux pas you said Shankley won the equivalent of the CL in the UEFA cup (well you described it as top so i'm assuming that meant CL)

yea i just wrote that to stop us going round in circles. You either think he's decent or not. You don't and probably will not for 99% of the managers who win stuff in the modern era if you cannot respect what mourinho has won irrespective of how boring you think his football is or the money he splashed at 2 clubs.

 

Well what more can I say. The security of being groomed for the easiest job in world football at the time.

 

You have to understand a few things to see this right.

Jose is a cheque book manager.
He pays over the odds for **** players.
He wins things consistently with the teams of **** players he pays over the odds for.
When he leaves, the next manager usually gets sacked pretty quickly because he cant make said players win things.
On top of this, he only goes to money clubs, his choice they don't pick him, and that is why he wins things. No real reason given why the managers before and after him aren't quite as successful at the same money clubs.

And all this from being a translator, makes you wonder why football management is so hard for some.

 

But, it was so easy to win back then, it was so easy you had to actually win your country's league title before winning it easily.
Probably why those who's clubs weren't good enough to win it are the first to diss it's validity and importance.

 

No Netherlands, no Czech Rep, no Chile, no USA, no Ivory Coast and no Italy. Some big casualties for 2018

 

This is what annoys me with some ex players who think they can waltz into the top jobs without doing the ‘apprenticeship’ at the lower level.

And some people think it’s easy taking over a big club and spending money. Spending on the right players, getting the best out of them, managing big egos and most importantly, handling the immense pressure of winning week in week out is not easy.

This is the problem we’ve had at Liverpool since Rafa left - the players we’ve signed and the managers who took over (excl Kenny) don’t understand what it’s like to be at a big club. We lost that winning mentality and subsequently, standards dropped. Thank god we have Klopp now.