Very thin line between saying ''If you don't have sex with me something nasty will happen'' and ''If you do have sex with me something nice will happen'' ie. promotion at work, better grades for a student, direct money payment etc. The last cases are all cases of prostitution no different to what happens on the Reeperbahn, though less honest. In the first cases - if physical danger is involved, or if the woman is inebriated at the time (through whatever cause) and incapable of rational consent, then it is rape - if not eg. 'do it or I will destroy your career' then it is not technically rape but surely qualifies as criminal nonetheless, almost in the same way that blackmail could be used as a lever.
When the bad guy in the film says "You've got a lovely family, haven't you?"... to the good guy, I think we all know that the comment is, in fact, a threat aimed at the good guys family. If an executive tells someone that having sex with them will be good for their career, anyone can understand the implied threat is that declining sex means the executive will do the opposite.
Hundreds reported dead in tunnel collapse at Kim’s nuclear testing cave. Spookily this was predicted in this mornings paper, the mountain above these enormous explosions has been weakened (a phenomenon seen in both US and Soviet testing). Aside from the immediate deaths possibility of large amounts of radioactive material getting into the air. The Chinese border is only 50 miles away. If it’s true I stand by with horrified fascination to hear what Trump says.
And so an unspoken and implied threat is good enough to convict someone of rape? How do you distinguish that from a situation where the woman sets out to have sex with the producer to enhance her career eg Marilyn Monroe, and then changes her mind when her boyfriend finds out and cries rape?
Monitoring that situation from Zombie Apocalypse HQ Languedoc as well as the Catalan crisis which by the way is not what everyone sees on the TV
UK Rape laws need a big refresh IMO Too many loops Show Mr Pinky to the Melons expect some trouble in any scenario
Actually, Goldie, I'm not trying to define rape or I'd have used the word. I am merely pointing out that we don't always need an explicitly-spoken threat to know when we're being threatened. No more, no less. Rape has a legal definition in this country. I don't know what the definition is. I do know coercion when I hear it and so do you, surely? Especially when you DON'T hear it but it is clearly implied by the circumstances?
Rape in the UK is penetration without consent. US appears to adopt a similar definition. You're right about implied threat, BD, but evidentially, a jury would struggle to convict for rape without more imo. If a victim said - I don't want to do this or I'm being forced to do this - that would be enough, although it's his word against hers. Getting back to Weinstein, in the absence of threat or express promise, if a woman submits to sex without qualification, I doubt a jury would convict. I suspect ultimately claims against him will be for sexual assault not rape. Interestingly one of his victims was offered $1million for her silence. Did she take that to the police or the press? No, she counterclaimed for $6 million. That's Hollywood.
The North Korea thing is odd, on lots of newspaper websites but nothing on the BBC. Perhaps it’s fake news.... What are you seeing in Catalonia? I have the impression that it’s a very deeply divided place. Saw a poll in the paper taken last week where only 30 something % wanted independence but a very big majority wanted a legal referendum on it. If the Spanish government had allowed that in the first place I suspect they would not be in this fiasco.
Agree. If a woman is put in the position where she feels she can’t say no, despite not wanting to say yes, then that’s coercion and therefore rape, according to the law. Whether that’s for fear of repercussions, or physical / mental intimidation, or through impairment of any kind, doesn’t matter. Weinstein, from the reports, coerced actresses into having sex when they clearly didn’t want to, by using his power and reputation to make them believe that the key to a career was in submitting. If so, he’s a rapist.
Most of the Catalan people i know ( french and Spanish and ask down here don't care about it yet it's being portrayed as a deeply divided crisis. People are simply just going on with their daily lives ... I was in the area Sunday. Got home Sunday evening only to see on Sky a right old drama. I can state to any on here it won't divide Europe at all ... all pro Europeans here. The UK seems more interested than the people in the area ... maybe just maybe they have been sucked in by the media spin?
Would you be suggesting something akin to the UK Euro referendum? Decades and decades of future to be decided by a majority that won't even be on this planet in 40 years? What happens if the vote turns out 51-49 in favour of independence? Soft independence or Hard independence? Sorry, couldn't resist. I've yearned to give a considered post on this - I am The Oracle on this as my great uncle died at the hands of Franco and is now, officially, and I kid you not Saint Braulio Carlos (I should add that to my LinkedIn!) Have had other close family that were high up in Franco's hierachy and been subjected since birth to argumentaion from all sides. You'll just have to wait
You are almost there DT, however the minority are a rather dark (uncaring, manipulative, relatively powerful) bunch. You've got to know one thing - most of Spain hates The rest. For over 50 years I have heard the retort of "Get back to your land" in arguments between people from different parts of Spain. I'll be back And Cologne in reading - Spain is the least Fascist country in Europe.
Just do it, Oracle. It’s only on talking to my Spanish half relatives that I realised how complicated everything is, how many families were split. I genuinely didn’t have Brexit in mind on Catalonia though. On your point to DT about the Spanish having a go at each other, my brother told me that my sister in law (half Andalusian, half Galician, go figure) was treated like **** in Barcelona when she spoke Spanish, whereas he, with perfect Spanish (better than his English, which is now a bit odd, been there 25 years and is a translator) was made to feel very welcome (obviously he still has something about his accent). Mind you my brother mocks rural Spanish accents, though he saves his most extreme bile for South Americans. I think he’s more Spanish, or Madridleno, than anything else now, even down to the endemic hypochondria “I have a chill on my liver, better go to the hospital!’
Then explain what you did say, that was in any way a proper reply to my post. Because I can’t see any other way to interpret your post. You said that the things I described as rape were in your eyes sexual offences. Presuming not rape then. Unless you failed to be clear, which wouldn’t be a first...
