Match Day Thread 2017/18 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

I like Silva, but I can't see him leaving Watford after only a few months tbh.

Moyes isn't an option, he'd never be accepted back after the way he left and what he said when trying to poach Baines and Fellaini. He's also damaged goods now, as he's ****ed up 3 jobs on the spin.

 

deffo agree with this. If you are going back for Moyes you might as well get fat sam.

Moyes hasn't done a decent job since he left everton. Been terrible since.

I still think you and SaintKlopp underestimate Fat Sams prowess .

He was smashing it for palace.

 

The thing with Big Sam is that he creates a side that plays his way and his way alone. If you look at his record virtually every side he's managed has gone down after he left. His legacy appears to be certain relegation lol.

 

you could argue that the teams he managed were punching above their weight with him in charge.

Bolton -> much better with big sam
Newcastle (i cannot remember, probs about the same)
Blackburn -> Performed better until Venkys self destructed it
West Ham -> Performed far better with big sam. Bilic took over and did even better
Sunderland -> Absolute shambles took big sam ages but he really smashed it 2nd half of the season with some great counter attacking football (no one can say Khazri, Defoe and Borini was long ball style players). Moyes took over and the ineivitable happened
Palace -> Smashed it again and their form was great. Needless to say frank de boer has not really improved things neither has hodge.

You could argue Jose does the same things at every club he is at (none past the third season and requiring a certain amount of rebuilding).

Whether fat sam will change things to be a better style (of which i think palace and sunderland were decent) is something we won't know as he's never really been given a team with great technical ability and lots of cash to buy who he wants.

I don't think he'll ever be a Klopp or a Pep or an ancelotti but i don't think there are that many managers that have won things and plays a gung ho brand of football

 

Koeman was paraded as the club's 'statement of intent' manager, what's the statement now?

 

**** the strategy?

 

The thing is that with the squad costing hundreds of millions this is exactly the calibre of manager that is required. What Everton's problems have shown is that spending huge amounts on players will come to nothing unless there is a manager who can make best use of the expensive resources. It is like recruiting Robert De Niro and Tom Hanks for millions and having your (low budget) TV film director to direct them.

People say Dyche Howe and some others in the championship. But what you really want is some high profile proven manager who has done it in a top league. Someone equivalent to Rafa Benitez. Why not Ancelotti or even Simeone? Everton is arguably in the top 7 club in the premiership and that automatically means one of the top 20 clubs in the world! You've got to try - you just never know ...

 

i'm not really convinced their personnel is a top 7 club.

just cause everton have paid out a big sum of money for their players does not equate to quality.

I think there are a lot of players there who can be brilliant in a particular side (Sigi, Schneiderlin, Gueye, Davies - yeah i know sigi and co haven't shown it yet) but they seriously lack the balance of a side (mainly pace and width) and their defence is old and slow and i don't think they have the right blend of players.

Obviously form is temporary, in my opinion there strikers, wingers and defence are below average. Their Central midfield could be very good but are playing like dogshit and are on low form. Their fullbacks are average (baines unfortunately is succumbing to age and coleman is still injured). At the moment i am very worried for them as i generally quite like Everton

 

I don't mean the players or squad is top 7. They are clearly not at the moment and the table does not lie.

I meant their club is among the top 7 clubs in the premieship in terms of size, value, fans and history.

 

Sorry about that, i just read you thinking that the everton squad was good (you mention they spent millions and that their manager is **** and has players likened to brilliant actors of Hanks and De Niro quality ).

As for top 7, arguably. Fans and history yes. not sure what you mean by value and size but i guess a lot of the historically big sides are in the championship. I guess the only other one really in the league is Newcastle

 

I meant as you rightly worked out expensive costly players which may or may not be high quality.

 

I'm struggling to understand this post. 'A squad costing hundreds of millions requires a certain calibre of manager' - what about the manager who spent the hundreds of millions buying them surely he was the man with the plan.

 

I think Carl was referring to the Fat Sam type of manager not being good enough.
I don't really understand what's gone wrong for Koeman - I thought he'd be good for them.

 

I see that but my point still stands. The manager [who is of 'a certain calibre'] who picked out and bought the players couldn't even control the mess. Was he not good enough? I also struggled to understand the comparing of very average players to the highest quality actors Like I said, the whole post was mystifying.

 

Pardue is available...

 

Mourinho without the dosh.

 

Man Utd fanzine #bbcsalford backs Mourinho's call to ban #doingalukaku criticism

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41807702

 

Since when have the FA been able to/have bothered to investigate an incident where a card has been given, just heard that Troy Deeny could be charged despite the ref seeing the incident and booking him. WTF?

 

He booked him for the foul, not for the gouging. If the ref had seen the gouging he would have given him a red.

 

Isn't it a pathetic rule, it's like if a player gets a yellow for an elbow but after the game it's found the player on the recieving end has permanent eye damage, according to their rule they couldn't do anything, so would they let it go?, would they ****, they often break their own rules to suit themselves.
Now they're bringing in the video refs there can be no excuse for something the ref doesn't see.