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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Spurlock, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

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    Surprisingly few of SAF's leading players have shown any inclination to be managers. Of those that have, few have had much success.
    Strange when you think that they should have learned so much from him.
     
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  2. bigsmithy9

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    I agree. I wonder what clubs players have been the most successful as managers?
     
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  3. NotSoMightyEastbourneBoro

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    Very few from the Premiership/English leagues that's for sure. Going down the table at the moment and where the managers spent the majority of their playing career:

    Spain: 4
    Portugal: 2
    Italy: 1
    France: 1
    England: 7
    Germany: 2
    Croatia: 1 (Bilic played more games for Croation teams than English teams)

    *Doesn't include Everton or Leicester ex-managers and includes Clements who only played non-league football.

    Sean Dyche is the best performing manager who played in England at the moment with most of the rest managing teams in the bottom half of the table.
     
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  4. humanbeingincroydon

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    What would they have learned? How to point at your watch, moan about non-existent fouls and the best way to assault your own players?
     
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  5. D.G.C.

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    Not many excellent players become good managers. Bobby Charlton for instance, great great player but mediocre manager for Preston. Jack Charlton, again a great player but boring manager of Middlesborough. Maradona again an example. I couldn't imagine any of England's world cup winning team becoming great coaches or the likes of Gary Linneker. Brian Kidd was Ferguson's assistant at Trafford but took Blackburn down.

    I don't think coaching is something you can learn from a great coach, it's something from inside which you either have or you don't.
     
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  6. The RDBD

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    Arthur Rowe. Vic Buckingham. Alf Ramsey. Bill Nicholson.
    Apparently not great players, but on went to do well as managers.

    I wonder if there are some common factors other than
    "something from inside which you either have or you don't"
    that have a strong effect on future managerial success ...
     
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  7. SpursDisciple

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    It's called pedigree <ok>
     
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  8. deedub93

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    Add Peter Mc William to that list, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_McWilliam

    Arthur, Vic and Bill all played under Peter the Great. Mc William had the novel idea of promoting players from the junior side rather than splashing out tens or even hundreds of pounds in the transfer market. Those promoted included Bill Nicholson.
     
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  9. D.G.C.

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    My point exactly, it's the not so great players who become good managers.

    As for coaching, well a lot depends on the character and the motivational ability of the coach, also the ability to connect with players, things like that are inside and can't be taught.
     
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  10. The RDBD

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    Pedigree Spurs (not available in tins) .
     
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  11. PleaseNotPoll

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    The MOTD2 presenter this week was joking about #ArsenalBias, as the pundits were Martin Keown and Ian Wright.
    The thing is, it's not a joke, is it? Spurs, Liverpool, Everton and Arsenal and you get two blokes from the same team? **** off.
    You couldn't find anyone else from 3 other ever-present Premier League teams? Give it a rest.

    Arsenal deserved their win, from what I've seen, but what happened to Lacazette's dive?
    Dermot Gallagher discusses it in Sky's ref watch article, but it failed to make the highlights on the BBC:
    http://www.skysports.com/football/n...acazette-lucky-to-escape-retrospective-action

    Dele Alli gets hauled over the coals, quite rightly, when he does it, so why do other players escape any mention at all?
    Probably doesn't help when you've got so many pundits from the same sides dominating the airwaves.
     
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  12. bigsmithy9

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    Didn't Dave Mackay do something at Derby?.........and wasn't Arsenal's manager Herbert Chapman a Spurs player? I think he was.......

    I have to admit one of my favourite managers was Ron Greenwood at West Ham. Playing FOOTBALL was number one with him and I mean pure football.
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    Remember how fans of both Liverpool and Everton were claiming they "won" the summer transfer window?

    This is what they look like now...

     
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    What are they told? "Keep your eye on the ball!"
     
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    ....and where is Tommy Harmer?
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    Not sure why somebody in China went to all that bother to get rid of a yucca plant...
     
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  17. humanbeingincroydon

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    I wonder how many Jewish families were handed over to the Nazis by the Italians?
     
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  19. Spurlock

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    120 minutes for City tonight...that'll do
     
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  20. Wandering Yid

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    I hope you’re not suggesting Guardiola and Zidane aren’t great managers <whistle>

    Problem with most good players switching to management is that as fan favourites they get shoe horned into top roles which they’re not ready for, never get a chance to learn from their mistakes, and can’t handle being criticised for the first time in their lives.

    Imagine thinking you’re the dogs bollocks at football for your entire life and then realising knowing how to play the game well is a fraction of the difficulty of knowing how to man manage, train, develop tactics, strategise, handle the media etc etc
     
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