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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Swansea City

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Sep 14, 2017.

  1. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    I don't know why but the truth is we can't win games at Wembley.

    2 points from 9 is awful and unless we improve quick then we can kiss goodbye to European football.
     
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  2. bigsmithy9

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    I watched Neymar trying to take on the mass of defenders down the middle and got beat 9out of 10 times.So dribbling down the middle against packed defences won't work.Now a chip over is a good solution( I think!).
     
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  3. littleDinosaurLuke

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    The phenomenon of home advantage in football is hard to work out - but it seems to exist for 90% of teams at any point in time.
    Familiarity? Home support? Routine? Lack of travelling? Whatever gives a home team an advantage is lacking at Wembley.
    Conversely, there are factors which help the opposition. Firstly, I don't think Spurs game is suited to playing on such a big pitch. Secondly, opposition teams/fans see a trip to Wembley as a big day out and raise their game. Thirdly, the stadium is not intimate enough to create a home atmosphere.
    There must be something going on.
     
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  4. seabreeze

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    Fab game on Saturday gents .... ahem .
     
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  5. Blue and White

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    What happened on the 10th time?
    Losing the ball high up the pitch shouldn't be anything to worry about.
    We lose the ball 9 times out of ten trying to pass it around sideways and backwards.
    We lose it 10 times out of 10 from set pieces.
     
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  6. humanbeingincroydon

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    ...and occasionally from goal kicks.
     
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  7. bigsmithy9

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    Who invented this sideways-backwards idea.They certainly didn't do it when I was playing......but then the studs had nails in my early days!
    I remember Alf Ramsey passing back to Ditchburn but Ted through it back to him and Alf was away.

    I couldn't imagine Robb,Jones,Medwin or Dyson doing that.They got the ball and were gone hell for leather to where we scored goals.....the opposing goal!

    (Sorry! Read threw for through!)
     
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  8. SpursDisciple

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    Fans raising their game doesn't worry me. I wonder if the opposite is true though on players, it can just as easily intimidate, they can try too hard. How many cup finals have see 2 teams playing above themselves and serving up a classic. If you can't do that for a Final, a wet Tuesday is not going to work.
     
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  9. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    All the seats are ****ing red. It's a nightmare. I'm red/green colour blind and hate the interior at Wembley. It does my pieces in.

    The atmosphere thing is getting much better now. Last season it was a shock that longer songs distorted and it threw us. Now, shorter songs and much more of them are the order of the day. The "We're the Park Lane/We're the Shelf side" is excellent and a sign that we'll be fine in our new home. I'm back on The Shelf side after a couple of decades in the Park Lane and that suits me just fine. I thought the atmosphere against Swansea was great even though the attendance left a fair amount of empty seats.The NLD and Real Madrid should be something else. What tonight brings will be interesting to find out?

    The pitch size is such a minimal issue [we've narrowed it a fair bit and as far as we were allowed] that any problem is in the players' heads. I recommend hypnosis. I've had it to help me give up smoking and to help to block out tinnitus. It really can work. Failing that, let's beat West Ham this weekend and win all our away games instead.
     
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  10. humanbeingincroydon

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    The pitchside area size is more of an issue: at WHL if the ball is punted out for a throw-in it's usually back to the touchline in a couple of seconds when the crowd toss it back, yet at Wembley the much larger gap between the pitch and the stands slows the process down significantly (and the same issue exists at the White Elephant)
     
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  11. vimhawk

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    Good point. It's sometimes stuff like this that we (well me anyway) don't think of that makes more of a contribution than we might think.

    That and ref decisions. Unfortunately you try and point out that refs haven't given you the decision and other fans and pundits say that it's just the luck of the draw (which it isn't because bad ref decisions are not distributed evenly) or that it's just whingeing (which it isn't when it directly affects your points tally). Fact is that certain clubs don't have to overcome that ref decision barrier. They score offside goals, get given penalties that others aren't, don't get players sent off when they commit suitable offences, have opponents players sent off more regularly, have extra time at the end of the game to score and much else. It makes a difference. Psychologically (I'm not saying deliberately), will a ref feel the same at Wembley as WHL when awarding decisions? After all Wembley is the national stadium where they do finals and try to be impartial. Perhaps that will hamper us more than any other alleged "Wembley factor".
     
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  12. lennypops

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    Only just got round to reading these comments and yes - I agree. Well, dunno about "big success" but he was fine, wasn't he? It's not like he was responsible for conceding a couple of goals. Sure he's not a full-back but playing WB in our system against a team set up to defend basically makes you a winger. Plus - where was he on the pitch when he had one of our best chances of the first half? Basically right hand side of the penalty area. It's not as if being LWB in our team means that you're shackled to stay in one small area of the pitch...

    I think it's tempting, when we lose, to look for causes when sometimes it's just crappy luck. I think we didn't play out of this world at the weekend but did more than enough to win. Couple of penalty shouts, hit the woodwork, had loads of shots, loads of shots on target. If Dele had started playing football this season that would have made a big difference. And if Son had scored his early chance plenty of people would be saying what a masterstroke it was to play him at LWB.

    The main bugbear I have was how when Llorente went on we didn't start putting balls into the box. That was crazy-making.
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    The other thing with Son at WB is that, for some time, there's been talk on here that maybe we're considering trying GKN in that role. He's certainly got the pace and crossing ability to be an effective option coming from deep, although there are question marks about whether he has mentality or positioning for the defensive side of the game - questions which could be answered one way or another if he ever bloody played...
     
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  14. lennypops

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    I think I'd rather see if he can actually play as a winger before speculating as to whether he can play as a wing-back. I've got basically no knowledge as to whether he can do either thus far. Pace? OK, I've seen that. Crossing ability (or anything else)? Not seen it yet.
     
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