Match Day Thread 2017/18 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

We should be on the match thread with this, but what the hell.....
I keep reading how intent is not taken into account in these (Mané/Ederson) incidents - so how does that work then?
If someone quite clearly takes a swing at an opponent and misses is that ok then? This is bollocks, obviously intent has to be taken into consideration, the problem is that it isn't always easy to prove. However, in this case, nobody but Diego is blindly prejudiced enough to suggest that it was anything other than an accident.

 

Its not just about intent.
He intended to get the ball, but he also intended to get it by raising his foot above his head.
What he did was reckless and stupid.
I am not for one second suggesting he meant to brain the keeper, but it was stupid.

 

That wasn't my point. Read it again.

 

Swinging at a player in order to punch them is a different kettle of fish, whether you hit him or not.
Thats violence, thats attacking someone, players that do that, not only should they be sent off, but also arrested in the tunnel and charged with attempted assault, they shouldn't get away with it just because it happened on a football field.
They are two different trangressions entirely, both of which should result in a red card.
One is injuring a player through recklessness
One is attempting to injure a player through maliciousness.

Both are red cards in my eyes, but the latter should receive a harsher penalty than the former in my eyes.
I wouldn't be surprised if Mane's ban was reduced to two games or something, espeicially if LFC appeal and point to the inconsistency with those kinds of challenges, apparently a similar thing happened in the Newcastle game and he only got a yellow.

 

I'm not trying to exonerate Mané, I've said all along I agree with the red card - for dangerous play. My issue is with a number of reports I've read which state that intent is irrelevant. I used the example I did as an obvious and crude example of the fact that it's a foolish statement to make because intent has to be taken into consideration regardless of the outcome. There are more subtle examples, but subtlety doesn't go down too well on here a lot of the time.

As for the latter end of your post, you're expanding the point beyond my original meaning.

 

Intent should be used to double a red card punishment.

If you put your boot night where a high is having to head the ball it's reckless.

Intent should be used to double the sanction

 

If there was obvious intent i.e. he was clearly looking at the player before he kicked him in the face, then it's violent conduct and he'd have probably got an extended ban if found guilty of wilfully kicking an opponent in the grid.

 

What Bod and MITO are saying. There are times that you can raise your leg high (such as when theres no one near you) and there will be times where people will get away with it. Haven't seen the Ritchie challenge but sounds like he should have gone but if someone takes it full flush in the face in a reckless challenge then you should expect a red.

Just as Cahill got a red when you see that sort of challenge all day long we can't have no complaints as it was dangerous and a potential leg breaker.

The only time its really contentious is when you see someone dive in, win the ball cleanly and not take the man as sometimes they are penalised sometimes they are not. In manes case he would probably have gotten away with it if Edersen had bottled it but it goes to show that in a game where milliseconds really matter between a really reckless challenge and a great piece of play which would have gotten a goal.

 

I give up.

 

...a bit like your team when Mane walked mate

 

OUCH

 

Unlike us, they tried for a bit.

 

True, that was abysmal Saturday, truly awful

 

^^ This ^^

 

Should overhead kicks now be banned from football then. Attempting an overhead kick is almost always in the box and surrounded by other players. High risk of kicking someone in the head with a lot of force.

 

Interesting article on how #bentasfuck UEFA's rules are

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...a-eric-dier-champions-league-squad-uefa-rules

French Pogba bought from Italy for £89m plus agents fees counts as homegrown, but Ben Davies' time playing in the PL doesn't count because PL club Swansea are technically in Wales

England international Eric Dier isn't English enough because his family went to Portgual when he was a baby

Chances of UEFA saying half of Barca aren't homegrown because Catalonia isn't really Spain after all?

 

you'll find if someone does it whilst the defender is trying to header it does usually end up with the ref blowing up.

I think theres been a few instances where a player has been sent off.

They are more lenient on it though but pretty sure they deffo get blown up if its strikers a defenders head (especially if it hits the defender first).

 

Yes. And we need lifetime bans for goalkeepers punching the ball because a single punch to the head can, and has, killed people.

 

somebodies sounding a little bit #bitter

Think we need to ring out a few more cliches #bbcsalford #bentrefs #liverpoolarerobbedagain

 

Maybe. I think what we are seeing is that to an extent Refs judge fouls by the outcome. I.E. City's goalkeeper was taken away on a
stretcher after about 8 mins or so of paramedics milling around. In the Swansea game Mawson just carried on playing. The foul was broadly
the same but the reaction of the ref (and probably most watching both games) was very different. Too some extent it is just human
nature. Refs are human although it is hard to believe sometimes.