Before the election, shadow minister, Sharon Hodgson, said that Labour “could write off historic student debts”. Duplicitous at the least, particularly after her leader had already said that historic debt would be "dealt with". It was clear ex-students were misled.
Corbyn clearly mis-lead students, which is why so many turned out to vote. They'll stay in bed next time, now that he's been exposed as a lying scum-bag, just like nearly all politicians.
Look over there at what the left wing bloke didn't say. Stop looking over here at the right wing ignoring their manifesto.
Your blind allegiance to Corbyn is very touching, but you can pretend as much as you like; Corbyn let students believe that their debts would disappear. There were countless students on TV leading up to the election saying that they were voting for Corbyn because of this. One of his own ministers believed it and repeated it. All politicians lie and your blind faith in Corbyn, believing that he would never lie or mislead, being such a cuddly grandad figure is, frankly, quite pathetic.
I'll tell you what's pathetic, pal. It's saps like you who believe only what they read in the right-wing press. I've posted on here what Corbyn actually said. Did you read it? I assume not. May made a specific promise that she has reneged on. Did that affect anyone's votes? Are you going to demand an apology from her?
That's the second time you've resorted to name calling when I've called you out. I get the impression that you lose your rag a little when the shortcomings in your beliefs are pointed out. I won't lower myself to your level. However, you have no idea what press I read (I actually get my news, rather sensibly, from a variety of sources, some left leaning some more right). I'm not defending May and have been one of her biggest critics on here. I just find your blind faith in the Marxist Corbyn rather naive. His far left policies would, without doubt, return us to the chaos of the seventies. He clearly, along with your Momentum mates, let students believe their debt would be wiped out, regardless of what he actually said. I have no faith in any of the choices currently on offer politically. Anyway, we go around in circles. I'll leave the last (name calling) word to you. Knock yourself out.
You make me laugh, Col. Name calling? I'm a Trotskyite with Momentum mates according to you. You, one of May's biggest critics? The sun shone out of her Tory fundament according to you. 'She gets it'. Remember that? I do lose my rag a little sometimes, Col. Mostly when deluded selfish ****s are prepared to condemn large swathes of the population to poverty to satisfy their pathetic belief that Britain can once more rule the world.
Come on lads let's not get personel. Politics is like football, It's all about opinions. We have a big game to focus for on Saturday regardless of May or Corbyn
Comrade Corbyn is a muppet and now he has been found out to be a lying muppet. Saying that some of my Tory mates have been lying muppets as well. I guess we have to accept that they all lie.
Fixed the bit in bold for you mate. And yes, some might have voted Tory based on that (although there were far greater reasons to do so than an energy price cap). If you're going to suggest that fewer or no young people voted Labour because of all the things Corbyn and his election team hinted at / proposed / suggested, then I'm sorry, but you're being extremely naive. Corbyn used the suggestion as a direct election ploy. Thankfully, it didn't work.
If its any consolation, I don't believe Corbyn will get the chance to bankrupt the country. Brexit will do that before he gets a chance Incidentally, it looks like I might be getting the chance of a move to Dublin. My wife, being from Cork doesn't care too much for Dublin ("too crowded, shight public transport, and full of stuck up West Brits")*. I told her not to worry as it will be full of East Brits by 2021. Still much rumours at the moment; but the longer these clowns carry on their comedy routine the sooner the decisions will be taken regardless on the worst possibility. *Their taxi drivers are second to none (I know we've a few on here )
You didn't need to fix anything for me Willy, if she was going to make good on her promise she would have included it in the Queen's Speech wouldn't she? Maybe this government will take action on energy prices in the future, but I doubt it somehow - there's been a deafening government silence on the subject thus far. I know they are all on holiday, but that hasn't stopped cabinet members making daily contradictory pronouncements on Brexit has it? Of course many young people voted Labour because of their proposals on tuition fees and student debt and of course it was an election ploy, if you want to describe a manifesto promise to abolish tuition fees in such a way. The fact is, there never was a promise to wipe out existing debt. Here's what Corbyn actually said: “Yes, there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden.” He has since said that the cost of scrapping all the debt (something he hadn't promised to do, and which wasn't in the manifesto) would be prohibitive, and he has therefore rowed back on any expectation that this would happen. The right-wing media (and their sympathisers on here) have seized on this in a desperate and cynical attempt to portray Corbyn as a liar. He is not. May, in contrast, has lied consistently, but this is somehow ignored by the same media and individuals.
Can you see through those red-tinted glasses, mate? Honestly, lambasting one side for 'lying' (i.e. not implementing major policy change on private businesses immediately after winning an election, despite most people being away and despite there being far more pressing items on their plate - Brexit and Grenfell Tower to name but two, both of which have way more media pressure than energy prices - it's called prioritisation) whilst giving the other side a completely free ride after blatantly declaring in their electioneering that students will be let off billions of debt, offered a free university ride at taxpayers expense, and then - when most had been duped into voting for Corbyn - saying that 'well, I said we'd look at it, not that we'd actually do anything. That's political bias and hypocrisy of the highest sort. If you're not even going to try and be even handed, then you're probably in the wrong country mate. And there's very little point in having the discussion, because I doubt you're open to consider anything but your current view. Oh, and finally - Corbyn IS a liar. He's a politician, so it goes with the territory.
Corbyn tells wife: “I said I would deal with the bins, not necessarily empty them” http://newsthump.com/2017/07/25/cor...eal-with-the-bins-not-necessarily-empty-them/
Yes - even handed. Just because I'm pointing out your bias, doesn't mean I'm displaying any of my own. Read back - I didn't vote for any of the main parties. I'd happily criticise the Tories (in fact have done so) and - if Corbyn ever does anything worthy of credit - I would say so. This ain't one of those times.
Brexit Reversal? The EU Should Say 'No Way' Talk of the U.K.'s return should be alarming to anyone who cares about the EU's resurgence. by Leonid Bershidsky 68 August 1, 2017, 12:33 PM EDT please log in to view this image Some time apart. Photographer: Christopher Furlong/Getty Images Though most U.K. politicians would have us believe that "Brexit is Brexit," European leaders have recently spoken of a reversal of the U.K.'s decision to leave the European Union as a real possibility. That should be alarming to anyone who cares about continuing the EU's resurgence since the 2016 vote. “For the first time, I’m starting to believe that Brexit will not happen," Maltese Prime Minister Joseph Muscat said last week. "I see encouraging signs that the tide is turning." Muscat is knowledgeable about the Brexit process: His country held the EU's rotating presidency in January through June. "Well I still hope that it won’t happen," Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar said when asked about Brexit on Monday. He also knows more than most about Brexit because his country's border with the U.K. is one of the thorniest issues under negotiation. There are good reasons why U.K. politicians, affiliated with both the government and the opposition, won't say similar things. Calling for another EU referendum did nothing for the Liberal Democrats in the June election. Most major figures in U.K. politics have pledged to respect the result of last year's Brexit vote. No one wants to be first with a risky reversal, even if some polls show that most Britons would now vote to remain in the EU. Foreign leaders such as Muscat and Varadkar have no such constraints, so their sudden optimism is a strong hint that the ground is shifting behind the scenes. But those who, like Muscat and Varadkar, hope that Brexit won't actually happen should be careful what they wish for. After the 2016 catharsis, the EU looks stronger both economically and politically. But it still has trouble defining its goals and even basic values, as evidenced by the current strife between Western and Eastern Europe. The easterners, led by Poland and Hungary, are pushing toward more authoritarian government and tougher measures to remain ethnically homogeneous. The Westerners stand on traditional liberal values and are softer on immigration despite pressure from right-wing parties. There are plenty of other divides, and new ones emerge constantly. Now, there's sudden tension between France and Italy over the former's decision to block the takeover of a major shipyard by an Italian company. French President Emmanuel Macron's foray into trying to settle the Libyan political crisis -- traditionally Italy's domain in Europe -- hasn't helped matters. The EU bureaucracy and the bloc's core nations are trying to formulate a clearer common line on the union's future. The last thing they need is another centrifugal force -- and the U.K., with its current political establishment, would certainly be one. Even before Brexit burst into political reality, the U.K. was the most outvoted member state in the EU Council. Now, with millions of citizens who have voted against the EU, it would likely be even more contrary and anti-federalist. The U.K. also had the most opt-outs of important EU policies -- the Schengen free travel area, the euro, the Charter of Fundamental Human Rights (the U.K. wanted to block the European Court of Justice from overruling its laws on Charter-related grounds) -- and, uniquely, a rebate on the EU budget. The U.K.'s ability to obtain these exemptions has inspired Eastern European countries -- whose English-speaking elites have long idolized Britain -- to seek their own opt-outs. If it hadn't been for the U.K. example, the euro area would probably be bigger today. When that example is eliminated, it will be easier for the EU to make a case for more uniformity and a closer union. The U.K. is certainly to blame for Ireland's forced opt-out of the Schengen area: It would have wanted the travelers with Schengen visas to come without making a separate visit to the embassy, but seamless travel with the U.K. was more important. Even after Brexit, Ireland may be forced to stay out of the borderless area. The scenario under which the U.K. comes back into the fold humbled and willing to accept everything -- the euro, Schengen, full ECJ jurisdiction -- or at least to make some concessions is probably what pro-European leaders such as Macron and German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble meant when they said they'd welcome a Brexit reversal. Such a turnaround, however, appears unrealistic. As long as brain surgery remains off the table, there's no way for the British public to change their minds so soon after making the decision to leave. Clear thinking from leading voices in business, economics, politics, foreign affairs, culture, and more. Share the View There is a better scenario for everyone than either a hard Brexit or a return to the pre-referendum status quo. It would involve the U.K. joining the European Free Trade Association, along with Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland. Trade ties and current border arrangements would largely be preserved, but the U.K. would have no vote in Europe. It would stop being a centrifugal force, just as Norway isn't. Though U.K. politicians say the Norwegian scenario is not being considered, it's far easier to revive than full EU membership, perhaps for a transitional period first -- with an eye to making a transition to permanence. Britons didn't vote against EFTA membership in 2016. Simply not overdoing Brexit would be better than forcing it or reversing it.
No mate! I will miss our pre game drinks. I guess it could be a good excuse to visit Dublin and catch up with you and Finglas?
This. @WLW To be clear... He 'promised' to scrap a vast increase in tuition fees (going forward) and look at ways to reduce the student burden on those already affected. The hugely increased debt burden that was imposed by the coalition and maintained by the current administration. The MSM (for whatever reason... (fill in your own reasons) prefers to announce that manifesto commitment as a blanket promise to cancel all current student debt - it's not the same thing, and is clearly not a promise to 'cancel student debt'. Do you understand the difference now? To be clear, I'm really happy to call out two-faced politicians of either hue... but simple and deliberate 'misinformation' (to give it it's most charitable interpretation) is just not acceptable to anyone is it... really? ...and I'm very happy to be proved wrong... despite my self-positioning as a massive know-it-all.
