Off Topic General Election Special

It's called paying off the debt and don't repeat the same mistakes of the seventies - unfortunately the young who are his main target don't remember the 70s and don't care about the debt as long as they get a free education - it's funny how the left talk about the greed of the rich but the Labour manifesto is fueled by the greed of the young

 

I actually don't agree with free university education.

 

If paying off the debt was that important, we wouldn't be frittering money away in the back pockets of tory friends and media buddies. The desperate shortage of money is entirely selective. When it's trident or whatever there's plenty to spend and billions is just pocket change. When it comes to spending it on the country yeah no there's no money left sorry.

 

Despite clear evidence their manifesto is not achievable without massive debt, which you don't care about, you've swallowed the entire thing hook line and sinker.

It's also not a new Labour thing either as has been pointed out, and unfortunately it's been proven that it doesn't work.

You're taking the same stance you railed against from supporters of the Allams.

Gambling with the future of the country on trying something different seems ok, while gambling with a football club, not so much.

That's why I find it fascinating.

 

I don't think it particularly needs to be free, but the universities take the piss with their tuition fees that barely cover anything because they then start adding on mandatory 'campus fees' to cover stuff like Wi-Fi. Oh yeah cause £10k a year just won't cover that will it. It needs regulating really, but then it used to be didn't it until some bright sparked decided they should be able to charge what they want.

And more disgustingly, the Tories have ****ed over loads of students by retrospectively changing the terms of their loans. Somehow this is legal. The post 2012 starters are going to be loads worse off in terms of how much they pay back and how soon because of that.

 

Your desperation to compare it to the Allams situation is a bit embarrassing. There's absolutely no similarity between Allam and the Labour campaign.

 

You just beat me to it

 

All this fuss about economics, yet they won't matter a jot if those that survive being choked by fumes will be under water.

 

Slight tangent here, but when my middle daughter went to Uni for her nursing degree, first year is spent in provided accommodation on campus. Small room, shared kitchen, shared toilet facilities.

The costs of that were frankly a piss take. The University's must make an absolute fortune out of that. Yet there's never any complaints or protests about it, it's just accepted.

I never understood that bearing in mind that Universities are generally thought of to be liberal/left wing leaning institutions.

 

Theresa May is a ****.

 

Well you've got Happy on your side so there

 

No it's to spend the money differently. The savings can be made it's just the Tory cronies don't like where they'd come from.

 

Yeah and then they go into shared houses usually for the second year and still get ripped off because every individual pays a good amount just for their room. In total the landlords must make loads more than they would just renting the house out privately.

 

I'm surprised that anyone thinks there is such a thing as an honest politician.

 

Yeah, that too to be honest.

Luckily the Uni she went to (Hertfordshire) managed to completely **** her grants up, told her she wasn't entitled to any (she was), so she sacked them off, came back home, then did it at a local Uni while paying me bugger all, thus graduated with no debt.

6 months after she quite Herts, and started at a Cambridge one, she got money paid into her bank that she'd been told she wasn't entitled to. Talking to them about it, they just went "oh yeah, our bad, you were entitled".

She'd spent 3 months worth of accommodation fees, which with my excellent ability to complain, she got back.