Diane Abbott is a complete and utter idiot, as well as a thoroughly nasty person and if labour have any chance of being elected they need to lock her away somewhere till the election is over. The thought of her being our home secretary makes my blood run cold. Yes the weather is bloody awful. Many birds of prey struggling to keep their young alive!
If we give the police Mi5/6 these extra powers then they being they are one step closer to abusing them, we need to be careful what is handed over
Did you see her interview on Sky with Dermot Murnaghan last night? If not have a watch and see if you come to the same conclusion as me ...
We're past the point where the public in general is willing to respect the rights of this one group of people within its population. They've continued to abuse the privileges available to all of us. They need identifying, isolating and dealing with. That has to be done without making more terrorists and martyrs out of Muslims who are currently of the opinion that fanatical Islamists are nothing to do with them. Any emergency powers that might be asked for - to suspend certain rights and privileges - should be properly scoped (so they only get used for the Islamist terrorist issue and nothing else that looks convenient) and have a time limit imposed (so they expire if they don't work, or did work and are no longer required). That's the risk. That we give up something that we never get back and it gets used to bite us later.
My young is out labouring on his building site in this. Fortunately he is completely legit, so gets paid (up to a point) when the weather stops them working, but if this continues I can see I'll be subbing him for his rent. Meanwhile my wife took a friend for tea at the Ritz yesterday as a birthday treat. Here's what you get (excluding cake trolley and scones, and apologies to the unknown ladies featured). She was very taken with the silverware, especially the sugar tongs. My house is just ****ing weird.
I've been having similar conflicted thoughts, Stan. My instinct is to denounce the more hysterical reactions (I saw a Facebook poll asking me to agree that all of the 23,000 'known terrorists' should be deported) but it is entirely understandable that people are outraged and want action. I agree with them, something does have to be done, but like you I just don't know what it is. It is the religion that's the problem and the long-term solution has to come from children of Muslim parents rejecting the bullshit and brain-washing that Islam foists upon them, thinking for themselves, and just deciding to live a religion-free life.That will take generations, though, and we need a solution now. I would be prepared to consider internment for obvious cases (the scumbag from the London Bridge atrocity who had appeared on a TV documentary about jihadists would surely have been a candidate for this. If people like him are not top of the list for monitoring, there must be some seriously dangerous bastards out there), but worry that locking someone up for something they might do, makes them more likely to actually do something when they are eventually released (how do you decide when that should be?). More importantly, though, it's just wrong. I don't say this to make a political point, but at the end of the day it has to come down to more resources - from more community police officers at one end of the scale, to more highly-trained surveillance officers at the other. If there really are so many of these ****ers out the there, we need more people to track them. Abbott is an idiot.
Locking people up without compelling evidence (but conspiracy is also a crime) is just wrong Strolls, and under normal circumstances I would be 100% against it. But the circumstances are no longer normal, we have to make conscious decisions about what parts of our values to suspend to protect them, and as Dipper points out, with what safeguards. We can't sleepwalk into these things and have to acknowledge that its comes with downsides and risks. I don't know if anybody from a mainstream political party is suggesting this, or if it would make any difference. In fact I'm not sure what any of the parties are proposing in concrete terms for short or long term action, other than more of what we have now. 3rd London terrorist identified as Moroccan. What the **** have we done to them?
As Spock so wisely put it: the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. In this case the many of those of us living peacefully and in tolerance in Britain today. I'm sorry to say, but the few are the people trying to get here, amongst whom are no doubt a minority intent on doing us harm. If you've got a faulty tank in your loft, with water seeping through the ceiling, don't you also turn off the water supply as well as seek to plug up the leaks? I'm completely on board with locking up these dangerous zealots and preachers of hate, but we have to also stop exacerbating the issue by allowing more unknown and potentially dangerous people to come here. I'm truly sorry if 100 innocent Syrian refugees are refused entry to the UK, but prefer that if it also prevents one terrorist from entering too. Right now I'm more concerned for my family and friends than for a supposedly able-bodied refugee who's somehow fled danger, leaving behind women and children in his desperate efforts to reach safety. Spock probably said some crap too.
Haven't been around on here much lately due to manic work situation since coming back from holiday, but like all I'm truly shocked and sickened that these murderous bastards are allowed to roam free in the UK and elsewhere. I'm sorry to say but the one who lived in Dublin wouldn't even register here in Ireland as a person of interest as Ireland has no counter terrorism unit, everything Is left to the Garda whom are in a bit of disarray at the moment with loads of sh1t hitting the fan about their conduct and that of the commissioner. As others have said far more eloquently than I can something has to change within the UK so that these bastards are not allowed into the Country, if that means that if they travel to Syria or elsewhere in that area then their passports are cancelled and they become person non grata, they have to be stopped returning to Europe to continue their warped existence...... I had intended to post on the review thread a restaurant in Borough market called Applebee's where a few weeks ago my wife and I took a friend for dinner whilst we were in London, we love the area around there, it's such a vibrant place and on a balmy evening a really nice place to be as those who were caught up in this horrific attack thought as well. My thoughts go out to everyone. Stay safe.
Agree. The UK has to greatly restrict Muslim immigration. Sadly, for some unknown reason, these populations produce a very small minority of people that are psychopathic to the point of being sub-human. Anyone who can go on a suicide mission deliberately to kill and maim totally innocent people, including children, is sub-human, in my eyes anyway. If there are refugee Muslims in need of help, they should be helped in situ.
This from RTE.... The other person named was Rachid Redouane, who had lived for a time in Ireland. Redouane, 30, also used the name Rachid Elkhdar, claiming to be six years younger. He married British woman Charisse Ann O'Leary in the Registry Office on Lower Grand Canal Street on 7 November 2012 and the couple lived in a flat at Grosvenor Square in Rathmines at the time. Their marriage certificate states that Redouane worked as a pastry chef, while his wife was a care assistant. They had a daughter but later separated. Gardaí say their marriage enabled Redouane to apply for and secure an Irish-issued 4 EU FAM card, which allowed him reside legally in the UK. RTÉ News understands he had previously been refused asylum in the UK, but the 4 EU FAM card facilitated his application for a permit to remain there. Exposes a massive loophole.....
This is the Millwall fan who took on the terrorists at Borough Market. His mates visited him in hospital and bought him a magazine. please log in to view this image
I would not consider myself as educated as you on this subject (nor many others no doubt), but I too am exasperated by this situation. We cannot let this continue and we should be looking at internment, repatriation and ALL measures available to us whether constitutional or not. The time has come to protect the right minded, law abiding citizens of this country. It makes no difference what race, colour or creed you are. We all have a right to live peacefully and alongside each other. I have many Muslim friends and they are amongst the nicest people you could wish to meet and I know that they are as upset and angry as most of us over the recent atrocities. I have real concerns that unless the government act, the people will. What is also becoming more stark is that unrest is usually associated with mobs of thugs looking for a dust up and a spot of looting, this time it is the middle and upper classes that are feeling embittered. That should shake the government into action.
