It's the whole fear of being targeted with the R word, that has created the mess we're in now - too many years of political correctness in the face of reality has finally come home to roost.
We've got armed police and soldiers on our streets right now and I'd wager some people still don't think we have a problem. I'd like some answers from some of the more liberal minded on here as to what they think the root causes of these problems are...and there seem to be a few...and what we should do to prevent more carnage. Waiting......
I saw some armed police on my lunch on the corner of Northumberland Street. Bullet proof/ stab proof vests and automatic rifles. This is only the start. I'd like to think that I am not a bleeding heart liberal or a far right nut. The problem is these radical hate preachers that are allowed by our own tolerance and democracy to indoctrinate impressionable your muslims. They play on their insecurities, anger and discontent. This will be unpopular, but I would ban travel to and from Syria, Libya and certain other fundamentalist hotbeds. Anyone that has set foot in those countries not on official government business should not be allowed to return to the UK. I would also extend it to Turkey until they do something about their border. We need to get tough as this is now getting out of hand.
You get arrested for islamophobia though, the police were very quick to compound that point on TV and social media and whilst I don't condone racism or belittling someone's religion, I think arresting anyone that vent's or is angry or miss-construed is ridiculous. For me it's more about sending a message out saying you will tolerate this and you will conform, do not be angry. I think that kind of mentality let down the girls of Rotherham for so many years.
Very tight security at NCL just now. For the first time EVERY passenger was stopped after screening for a Q and A of their travel plans and a secondary check of their passport. Great to see and I thanked the sexy lady for being part of a robust response to the bad that permeates our society right now. Great to see this ****.
We definitely have a problem. Anyone being killed by a terrorist is one person too many. The whole purpose of a terror attack is to bring terror by being large scale. This year we have already had 27 people killed in two separate terror attacks. That is obviously a problem for society in general and for those affected in particular. It's not an easy problem to address in a short reply, and any short replies will have holes on them. However, I believe we need to focus on what these people want to achieve, The disgusting killing of innocents is not their goal. It is a means to achieve their goal. They want war and they want to divide us. They want to see muslims alienated from the rest of society in order to radicalise a greater proportion of the muslim community. I don't believe giving them what they want is the answer. I also don't believe that anyone who wants to curb immigration is a racist. That is just as bad as saying that anyone who is a muslim is a terrorist. There are racist groups who support that viewpoint and there are muslims who are terrorists. In both cases they are a small minority. I don't think anything that has been proposed so far will actually curb immigration (including brexit) and I don't think immigration is a bad thing. The vast majority of immigrants integrate into our society well. Some don't though and for me a first step would be to make all education secular. No more faith schools - of any faith. There should be no place for that in the 21st century. Its already turning into a mega post and it barely scratches the surface. One big point. Whatever we do, we should look for commonality. Not just with immigrants but between left and right. There are too many 'libtard' and 'racist' insults being thrown about (not by you) and it doesn't help. Whatever the answer is, it is not the property of one side or the other. Both sides are right and both sides are wrong. Getting the right answer will be done working together and not hating each other like we see happening in the States.
please log in to view this image The thick as **** terrorist mind clearly don't get it..... the ****s try to knock down a brick wall with a pea shooter..
Bear in mind that the secularisation of schooling is much more strict in France than it is here in the UK, yet they have had more attacks and more deaths due to terrorism in recent years. We need to have more sophisticated surveillance, more resources to the police, and tighter controls on precursor materials for bomb making, as well as stopping anyone from taking a bag to a public event. Just more of the same restrictions and police work, since the alternative seems to be deporting thousands of people who have done nothing wrong (there are even Telegraph journalists calling for internment camps like the US had for the Japanese in WWII - just crazy). Finally, we need to acknowledge that this horrific attack was one that got through out of dozens which have failed due to the security services, and be grateful for that while accepting that more will get through in the future, so long as there are people who want to kill Brits.
Good points. It could be said though that their aim of wanting to radicalise more of the muslim community is a bit of a red herring. Maybe they just hate us all and they are bloodthirsty enough to blow themselves up without that added goal? Either way, we are incredibly tolerant in this country. Again, some people will say too tolerant. I myself am amazed that someone hasn't lost the plot and wiped out an entire mosque with a bomb or automatic rifle <not condoning that either! >
One thing they will always need in this country is radicalisation. While there is always room for improvement, one thing this country has always had compared to other countries is strong borders. It is surprisingly difficult for them to get people into this country who do not already have a very strong connection with this country. Suicide bombers cause horrific harm, but they can only be used once by their very nature. They will always need the ability to keep recruiting and radicalising. There is a massive step up from a disaffected youth with complaints against the British way of life to someone wanting to end their own life in the fight.
Absolutely, by the time they get to the radicalising stage they have become psychopaths. But then again, what about the radicalisers? They must be hateful, sly bastards. Regarding the British way of life, I think a lot of people's attitudes are coloured by their upbringing, experiences, etc. I was brought up in the 70s in a totally white area, there were a handful of Asian kids at school. Thinking back, we lived in a ghetto! We had and still have very strong identities (Geordie, Scouse, Cockney, etc.) and very strong national identities (but maybe not so now). The younger generation have been taught about integration at school, they will have friends from different faiths (although it didn't stop the Bangladeshis and the white lads from fighting at my son's school seven or eight years ago). Many people have intermarried (though not some of my older Jewish associates...they believe in keeping their bloodline going). My feeling of national identity concerns me as to where we are going demographically in this country. Is that selfish? I don't think so! You just have to look to northern Ireland or the west of Scotland to see how integration can go wrong. And believe me, I have met and talked to people of so many faiths that I know a lot of them can't stand each other! They may not say that in public though. Many people, however, simply don't give a ****.
I'm not sure what the British way of life is. We have a vague idea of it, but from my experience people in Scotland would have a very different idea to people in London. Someone from Newcastle would have a very different idea to someone from the Home Counties. I grew up in the West End of Newcastle in the 70s where there was a sizeable non-white population. It never bothered us though. We were all just Geordies. We played football together in our spare time. Come to think of it, that was pretty much all we did in our spare time. I remember my sister who is a bit younger than me coming home from school one day and telling us about a new boy who was sitting next to her in school. She said his name was Mohammed. My mam asked her if he was coloured (I know, I know - but that was the language used then) and my sister replied that she didn't know but she would ask him tomorrow. That was pretty much how we were then. My best friend at school was a guy called Vikas Handa. To this day I don't know what religion he was and didn't care. It probably did shape my outlook on life though. I lost touch with my junior school friends cos I moved to the West of Scotland when I was 12. It did shock me that people were so interested in whether you were protestant or catholic. The first thing I was asked when I moved there was whether I was protestant or catholic. When I said protestant I was told I supported Rangers. I made it a point not to support them because of that and followed Aberdeen. However, our group of friends had both protestant and catholics and the only time it was ever an issue was during football banter about Celtic and Rangers. We all still get on perfectly well to this day.
