The General Football Thread

It's a great idea, particularly at youth level. If they spend 10 minutes off the pitch every time they show dissent they will soon stop. And considering you want bans for diving, you sound slightly hypocritical.

 

Don't get why you think it's a **** rule. They've now got more power to do something about it.

 

For what it's worth Tom, I tell every referee before our boys games that they can of course do what they want, however if they feel a player is losing his cool or similar, they can ask me to take them off for 10 minutes. If I see or hear them losing it, I bring them off for ten minutes to cool down. I've substituted players for getting involved in hand bags and for answering the referee back. The RESPECT campaign sits high on our list of priorities.

 

Why is that hypocritical? It's not related in the slightest

There's already a rule in place for dissent, the problem is most refs don't have the bottle to enforce it properly, again, no sympathy from me. If they did it properly it would stop it too.

What makes you sure that refs will enforce it now? Are they going to sin bin 3/4 United players at once when they surround the ref? Doubt it...

The diving argument is completely different, there is no system in place to retrospectively ban players who do it, like they have in other countries.

Quite frankly it's ridiculous to suggest that's hypocritical when they are not all related...

 

By the way I should add I can see how it will work at youth level, but still see it as a rule that refs will barely have the bottle to enforce in the pro game.

 

They've got power to do something anyway, they choose not to enforce it.

 

That's good to hear. Some manager's I've come across are complete tossers who insist on arguing on every decision I make. One even protested when I sent him from the touchline without a warning when he shouted for everyone to hear "you're ****ing **** ref". As I said to him at the time, I would send off a player for that, so why should it be any different for you?

 

This emphasises it. Anything that stops players dissent to the referee has to be good. I'm surprise anyone would think otherwise.

 

Dissent is as big a problem in the game as diving. Even if referee's did more to stop it at the moment all it would amount to is more yellow cards with a slight increase in dismissals for second yellows. However, any sane player would think twice about mouthing off if it meant going down to 10 men for 10 minutes. It sounds hypocritical because you're all for stamping diving out of the game by any means necessary but not dissent.

 

It is something I won't stand for. I think you could count on one hand the number of decisions I've questioned while managing a boys team in 10 seasons. I won't allow the boys to question decisions either; they do, but not persistently or they're off.

Anyone who has sat next to me at St Mary's may find that he'd to believe, but it is true. It is unacceptable at our level.

 

It means nothing if they still don't have the bottle to enforce it though surely?

People say it will stamp it out, if refs actually followed the law and booked 4/5 players when they are surrounded by them then that would soon stop it too.

Of course we want to stop dissent to officials... I'm just saying there is a rule in place already to do so... so the rule isn't the problem imo.

The problem is refs lacking the conviction to use the rule in my book.

 

I agree it's as big a problem but like I say... the rule isn't the problem, the problem is the refs lacking the bottle to do anything about it.

The middle part of your post is nonsense, so fear of going off for 10 minutes means the player won't do it, but a player on a yellow card won't mind risking a 2nd to be off the whole game?

Again this is all down to if it is enforced properly.

Also I am all for stamping dissent out, so don't put words in my mouth please... the thing with diving is there currently isn't anything in place to do anything.

With dissent there is something in place, and it's not being utilised by the refs.

 

I wouldn't give the refs anymore power after witnessing some shocking decisions this season. They'll start turning up with an entourage!

 

Just as a person, not a referee, if I was verbally abused and I could, I would send them off. Unlike rugby, where being a man down seems to be an actual disadvantage, in football it would just result in the team a man down bringing everyone back for 10 minutes and create some really boring football

 

Speaking of referees, look what I've done . Back to bore you with obscure throw-in foot position rules.

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As long as the sin bin punishment is meted out even handedly, then I will have no issue with it.
However, I can envisage the same problems as we currently have with yellow and red cards, with smaller team players seemingly being more readily punished than the big teams.

 

So this sin bin rule, is it at every level from next season or just youth level?

All I am concerned about is will I get sin binned on a Saturday for mouthing off at a ref?

 

From National League downwards.

 

change to penalty rules

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39798344

I can't really find any objections?

 

Yeah they've been on about this for a while.

It's mentioned in the comments but I've always liked the idea of taking the pens before et starts.

I mean, there's probably a good reason why it wouldn't work but think it would make et more interesting.