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The Jawdies and Rafa

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  1. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator
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    You cease getting parachute payments when you get promoted, but you obviously received parachute payments this season.
     
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  2. SydneyTiger14

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    When do you receive it? Is it spread throughout the year?
     
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  3. bum_chinned_crab

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    Yeah I know, but the reason Brighton have made the biggest loss - a fact you brought up - is because they haven't had parachute payments ever and they haven't got 45k fans attending home games every other week. It's not as if they've gone out and spent tens of millions on single players.
     
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  4. bum_chinned_crab

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    To be fair I thought you didn't. Don't you have to pay them back or something if you go straight back up? Might be wrong but it rings a bell and I cant be arsed to check.

    edit - just seen he said it gets redistributed amongst the other teams. That does ring a bell.
     
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  5. bum_chinned_crab

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    Oh one bloke said it who you heard. Fair enough then.
     
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  6. originallambrettaman

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    Yes, it comes in staged payments.
     
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  7. minuteman

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    It's going to be interesting to see how much money they invest before the start of next season. My Geordie mate reckons they'll be pushing for top 10, but I don't see it at all.
     
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  8. originallambrettaman

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    You don't have to pay it back, it's what funds your season while you try and get back up.

    Once promoted, the money that you would have received in future parachute payments goes back into the pot and gets distributed to the other clubs.
     
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  9. bum_chinned_crab

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    He won the FIFA World Club Cup with Inter players he inherited openly admitting they won it despite his instruction, for Jose. Within just 6 months of inheriting the best team on the planet he had completely destroyed them, leaving him hated by players and fans alike. It really was an incredible achievement to decimate a team so quickly.
     
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  10. Toon_Man_Sam1

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    I would say our target for next year is to remain in the PL. I don't know how much money Rafa will have to spend, but I predict it will be around the same Figure McClaren had which was £100m . I know who I'd trust more with a £100m.

    Rafa has a vast network of scouts and contacts, we are already introducing a host of young talent into our academy from Spain and from other clubs, a lot more attention has been given to the youth system and hopefully this helps.

    If we make a few marquee signings and they fit in well, I'd possibly say we would be looking to achieve 10th, but there are so many established teams, it's very competitive, to finish 10th you kinda need to be above teams like wba, stoke, Watford, palace, west ham, Leicester. I'm under no illusion that next year will be hard.
     
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  11. Sir Cheshire Ben

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    But 43 isn't divisible by 3. Surely it should be 42 or 45?

    The number who have managed to gain automatic promotion appears to have increased by 33% since the original claim.

    Are you making it up?
     
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    Hang on - you didn't buy your way to promotion yet the previous year more than £100m was spent on players...
     
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  13. originallambrettaman

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    The £100m was actually spent over two seasons, though £75m of it was last season.
     
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    The point still remains - it wasn't like every big signing they've made in the past couple of years has left and they started again with the youth team. A lot of the players they invested heavily in previously then guided them back to promotion.
     
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    I saw a graphic, trying to find it and failing! must be 42.


    Nah because the players we brought we sold. Sissoko brought for 2.5m sold for 30m. Wijnaldum bought for 10m sold for 25m. Townsend was sold, thauvin out on loan, saviet, de jong and krul too. Tiote sold, Cisse sold, Cabella sold, Janmaat and then we released loads! obertan, marveaux, steve taylor, Colocini, the list goes on and on.
     
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  16. originallambrettaman

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    Actually, they sold ten players and loaned out another sixteen this season and there's some big players in that list.
     
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  17. bum_chinned_crab

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    Yeah, but some remained and that was what I said.

    What - so every single player you spent money on in the previous few seasons left and you started again from scratch, did you, spending zero money in the process?
     
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  18. Walter Sobchak

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    Where are you going with your posts?

    You're not going to convince anyone that Rafa is a **** manager when he's just been promoted from a very tough league.
     
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  19. Toon_Man_Sam1

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    No,

    12 players in

    around 26 out

    But that's probably as close as starting from scratch as your gonna get.
     
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  20. bum_chinned_crab

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    I'm not going anywhere with them - he claiming they've hardly spent anything and just conveniently forgetting to include in his list of players the likes of Mitrovic, Shelvey, Ritchie etc. And I'm not trying to convince anyone, I didn't bring this up. Somebody else yesterday decided to bring up what I said at the start of the season. Similarly I'm not going to be convinced he's a good manager because of his post Liverpool record and just getting promoted with probably the best squad ever seen at that level.

    I refuse to believe that Neil Warnock would not have got more points than Rafa has this season. Or indeed Steve Evans. Ergo him getting promoted as runners-up isn't a great achievement. That is the entirety of my point, and as I said I didn't bring this up today.
     
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