Do not forget the Blunts. Maybe Bradford also. Plus Derby, Forest and Villa. They're all 'massive clubs'. Fleetwood away anyone?
True - but there is this myth that Newcastle weren't affected when in reality their attendances probably suffered more than most when they were rubbish and they looked bound for the third tier. It picked up a bit when their form improved (with help from one Mr Keegan if I remember rightly).
I'm afraid that's nonsense, Newcastle itself is 280,000, North Tyneside has another 200,000 and Gateshead is another 200,000, it's all in the immediate vicinity and it's where Newcastle's support is drawn from. Tyneside in its entirely has a population of almost 900,000, the 7th largest population in the country, it's much bigger than Hull.
Boros survival is totally reliant on a change of manager imo We are not playing any different from the way way we scraped promotion in the Championship Karanka is not a PL manager, he thought he was, but he has hit a brick wall with no new ways of playing Da Silva has injected a new way and spring in the heels of the Hull players, a belief that Boro do not have.
Its going to be a who's-who of northerness, none of this pouncy southern $HITE. If it goes to plan it will be: City, Barnsley, Blackburn, Mbro, Sunland, TWS, that massive club, Huddersfield, Blunts, Scunny (maybe) Bradford (maybe) Preston, Slightly further away: Fleetwood, Burton, Forest, Derby, Villa, Birmingham.....That's most of the league... Shame Rotherham are going down!!!
Nah, I think you are falling for the often quoted myth. Collins Town Plans of Britain is actually a very good guide and I have never had reason to dispute their accuracy. Tyneside as a whole is bigger than Hull but Newcastle isn't.
Here's the bare facts on each of the northeast's premiership clubs' average attendances vs their relative catchment areas (article from the 2007/08 season, but the numbers haven't changed): Newcastle-upon-Tyne 259,536 Gateshead 191,151 (split 50-50 with SAFC gives 92,000) North Tyneside 191,659 South Tyneside 152,785 Northumberland (largest populated areas): Blyth Valley 81,265 Tynedale District 69,000 Wansbeck District 56,000 Castle Morpeth Borough 49,000 Alnwick (district) 32,000 Oterburn 29,510 Morpeth 16,000 Bedlington 15,400 Hexham 11,139 Corbridge 3,500 Ashington and Newbiggin 2,000 *Theoretical Catchment Total: 1,093,000 Average attendance (2007/08): 50,441 Sunderland 280,807 Gateshead 191,151 (split 50-50 with NUFC gives 92,000) Easington 93,993 Derwentside 85,074 City of Durham 92,200 Durham (district) 87,709 Wear Valley 61,339 Chester-le-Street 53,692 Peterlee 30,093 Seaham 22,000 *Theoretical Catchment Total: 895,000 Average attendance (2007/08): 42,534 Middlesbrough 134,855 Stockton-on-Tees, Billingham, Yarm 178,408 Redcar and Cleveland 139,132 Sedgefield 4,214 North Yorkshire (largest populated areas): Ripon 15,922 Northallerton 15,517 Knaresborough 14,740 Skipton 14,313 Whitby 13,740 Pickering 6,846 Bedale 4,530 Thirsk 4,500 Helmsley 3,180 Leyburn 2,000 *Theoretical Catchment Total: 551,000 Average attendance (2007/08): 26,882 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4.6% of Newcastle's catcment area go to home games based on thier 50,441 average gates. 4.7% of Sunderland's catchment area go to home games based on their 42,534 average gates. 4.9% of Middlesbrough's catchment area go to home games based on their 26,882 average gates. Edited: for the pedantic. Edit: I've now included Billingham and Yarm to Stockton-on-Tees census of 2001, Boro's catchment area is therefore 551,000 and 4.9% of Middlesbrough's catcment area attend games (as opposed the the number listed originally). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Theoretical Catchment Total - this number doesn't discriminate against age or gender. It also doesn't take into account the influence of other clubs, i.e. the number of Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal "fans" who live in the North East and don't support their local teams. Also not taken into account is the inter-mix of fans from each area supporting rival clubs, e.g. Smoggies who support NUFC/SAFC, Skunks/SMB's who support MFC etc. In the case of Durham and Sunderland, yes there are Boro fans living there - just like there are Sunderland fans living in Billingham. In the case of MFC's catchment area, it also doesn't take into account the number of supporters in North Yorkshire who see Leeds United as their favoured club (from living in Northallerton for example I can say from experience that Leeds is by far the #1 club in that area but for arguments sake we'll keep it 100% Boro); as a result MFC's catchment area will be somewhat lower than indicated and the percentage of fans going to home games would be higher than 4.9% as a result. References: www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/ www.hambleton.gov www.4thegame.com http://images.google.co.uk http://en.wikipedia.org Ours is about the same as Boro's.
It's Ipswich Town (15th) v Wolves (21st) tonight. Ipswich are charging Wolves fans £37.50. For a bottom of the table Tuesday night game. ****ing disgrace.
I don't dispute the point being made about Newcastle United's fanbase, but there are tons of things wrong with that analysis. Populations are double counted, South Tyneside allegiances completely misunderstood - I won't go on, but around the margins that is not reliable information.
Exactly! There are lots of instances of double counting and dubious uses of 'border stretching' in order to overstate the population where it suits. Gateshead's population of 191,151 seems to be a case in point. According to the 2011 census it was 120.046.
No it wasn't, according to the 2011 census the population was over 200,000... http://webarchive.nationalarchives....-of-the-north-east/censusnortheastnr0712.html Count or don't count anything you like, we could never regularly fill a 50,000 stadium like Newcastle do, as nowhere near as many people live here. Cast. Iron. Fact.
You're mixing up the town of Gateshead with the Borough of Gateshead. The latter is the area for which best stats are available.
No, I think they have done the double counting, creative accounting and taken the 'boundary stretching' to a new level there. Gateshead has never, ever been anywhere near that big. Check out instead something less biased such as Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateshead and as it says: - 'The town's population in 2011 was 120,046 compared with 78,403 in 2001.This because of not only a slight population increase but also boundary and methodology changes since 2001. Felling used to be a separate urban subdivision and had a population of around 35,000, but now it is considered part of Gateshead town.' Of course, I wouldn't claim that we could regularly fill a 50,000 stadium but we aren't nearly as small as some would have us believe. With proper marketing and an ownership who encourage fans (rather than despising them and pricing out a whole generation of fans) we could and should be looking at much bigger crowds. There is still massive potential in this city. Don't forget we got a crowd of circa 22,000 in the bottom division for a midweek fixture not too long ago and had to turn thousands away. How many teams have ever done that? This was against Swansea in midweek so it wasn't as if the crowd included huge numbers of away fans either.
I don't doubt that with sustained success and owners who didn't alienate the fans, we could get significantly bigger crowds than we get now, though that has nothing to do with the fact that there's loads more people in the Newcastle area than there is in the Hull area, which is the point you disputed.
From the back of the way end at Sid James Park it gives a panoramic view of Newcastle spreading into the distance. You need a pair of binns to see the end of the built up area. Its at least twice the width of Hull from west to east, about 15 miles at a guess.
Well, yet again no. I do not dispute that there are more people in the Newcastle area (i.e. Tyneside) than in the the Hull area (East Yorkshire). As far as the cities themselves are concerned though Hull is the bigger - (source Collins Town Plans of Britain). The only other thing I would dispute is your claim that Gateshead's population is over 200,000. The latest census says it is only 120,046 even after including the recent 'adjustments' to make it appear bigger.... 'The town's population in 2011 was 120,046 compared with 78,403 in 2001.This because of not only a slight population increase but also boundary and methodology changes since 2001. Felling used to be a separate urban subdivision and had a population of around 35,000, but now it is considered part of Gateshead town.'
