Selling to replace with loans. Where are all the Ellis kiss arses to explain how it's not his fault and it's big bad everybody elses at fault? This is an embarrassment of a football club. He's asset stripping, just like some of us said he would a few years ago. He may have started off meaning well, but the bloke is now poison. In it for himself now beyond doubt. Is anyone still daft enough to think he gives a **** about this club? Seriously there can't be anybody still under this illusion? Bain and Moyes? My heart goes out to them. Horrible job to have to oversee all this **** and having to try and manage to put together a match day squad capable of staying up. Dave eh? The man who Short 'chased' for '5 years' is already the most resource starved manager under Short's reign. The blind yank **** has completely destroyed this club. People saying 'but if we sell we could end up with a Learner or some other horrible owner who doesn't care'. Wake up! We've already got one of those. The squad is tiny, outgoings have to be replaced, not patched over with temp contracts. We're asset stripping. Short's favorite business activity. Can't say we weren't warned. Rich owner who knows **** all about the game throws some early money at it, then proceeds to forsake the club as he gathers his arse off the floor in a desperate attempt to save his own losses, we are an acceptable loss to him, this historic British institution, all that matters his his personal wealth. We suffer for all his mistakes. He'll come out this out of pocket but still richer than his wildest dreams, we may not have a football club. I see nowt but relegation and administration. He has no respect for the club or the game. Just like all the other poisonous wealthy pricks who buy a business they know **** all about just to try and make a quick buck.
Unfortunately that's how he's made his success as a venture capitalist asset stripping in the business world he knows - not in the unknown leisure football world. The mags have a ruthless business man owner but he has had time to learn from his mistakes. Ellis has'nt. But I uncomfortably hold to the fact we have been through equally gloomy times so a grasping KTF
9 years man. Nearly a decade. come off it. That excuse does not hold up for me sorry. I think it's total ****e. Hope reports are wrong and we haven't made a loan bid for Diego Contento, cause all my hopes for the club will be shattered.
I'm agreeing Short has come very short in his management of Sunderland -imo wrong appointments [ (repeatedly ) not all bad advice] and failure to get his head around the football business - shocking As you say he has his perfect manager now but decides to asset strip and not invest (poor decision making ) - and I can see he is letting us down atm - but I'll wait till March or April to see how this pans out so a grasping KTF
I wonder how much of the current apparent refusal to spend is down to Bain telling him "look Ellis, our finances are already shocking and if we keep on spending it'll dig the hole deeper" rather than Short deciding off his own bat that he's had enough. Previous execs might have been more of the mindset of keep spending and bury your heads in the sand which has got us nowhere really.
Nah, the noises were coming long before Bain came, besides, what kind of business man wouldn't be aware of his own companies financial situation? I believe it's all about softening the personal blow, to hell with the club. I reckon Short's concerns are centered around him getting out while recouping as much he can possibly wrangle.
I'm sure you're right about what Short wants and I don't dispute that. I've no doubt that he's well aware of the club's finances and always has been but I wonder if the previous advice has been to spend his way out of trouble and now Bain is saying for the love of god stop spending. I don't know how much Short will act on the advice around him but it seems like he didn't know what he was doing for a while and in that time he would have listened to the likes of Byrne who can't have been that clued in. Bit of a coincidence that Bain comes in, immediately starts talking about cutting costs and soon after we are apparently going to sign virtually nobody in this window.
He'll only be relaying the message from the chairman. The money man. All Bain will do is budget manage and run the club off them. So if he's talking about cost cuttings, it's because his budgets reflect the need. I don't beleive Short has hired anybody to tell him how to spend his money. In fact most people who tell him how to spend his money either leave or get sacked. He's the chairman, he won't be answering to his Cheif exec, he'll be directing him.
Come on you Chinese you took our shipyards now replace them with a quality football team, I am pissed.
Much of the foregoing has been said in the past five or so seasons and almost each time without any basis. All I know for certain is that FFP is a bigger spectre this season than any other. Right now we have an experienced CEO and manager who are working together and hopefully have many irons in the fire. All we have is newspaper talk and Moyes's statement that we have not been approached for players nor have we been after those broadcast in the newspapers. It stands to reason we hopefully have players in to bolster the squad, but they have to be the right ones otherwise our problems with FFP will just blowout. New signings and returning injuries are all we have to save us.
Personally I am f***n sick of this FFP bollocks.I cannot believe that we appear to be the only club in the premiership that are being effected by this! Yes I know we have financial problems due to previous bad decisions and mistakes but I cant believe that clubs like Bournemouth,Watford,Palace,Hull,Swansea and Burnley can compete without fear of FFP ffs! I accept that the likes of Burnley and Bournemouth appear to be very well run clubs but the others mentioned have ongoing issues with owners,managers upheavals (I think Watford have gone through At least 6 managerial changes in the last 3/4 years),Palace were in financial turmoil not too many years back. Why oh why is it just us!!! Maybe me being paranoid (I,ll get back to me Black Sabbath)
Nailed it there Brian.. When Bent and Henderson were sold that is when I started to see through the real Ellis Short, I have my reasons but that's it for now. Mickey Gray made some big noises about investment and the running of the club too about 2/3 years ago if I remember, there is a rotten core in the club. When we are waiting for our big transfers to happen in the Summer, deals to be done and signed off, investment to be made, big decisions over the pre-season after doing yet another great escape, our Mr Short, owner and Chairman is normally pre-occupied elsewhere.. Just google, Kildare Partners and have a read about some of the Financial Times, real estate stuff.. Saying nowt else
I know exactly why they are replacing sales with loans. Relegation. They are not going to prepared to sign anyone on a premier league contract and no player in his right mind wants to sign for a club that's going to be in the championship. Were doomed really, but the bottom line is the club will probably be sold and new owners might be what we need now.
About 4 years after it should have happened.. This massive support we have imo have been well and truly blindsided by this **** who is running our club.. Could go on and on here but I really do hope he gets bitten by a horrid spider that loves money as much as he does.. Private only clubs ffs, manky lanky bag of ****..
They're called relegation clauses, something that every bottom half club put in their contracts, it eliminates and null and voids all that. The reason we're selling and replacing with loans is to cost cut. Nothing else. Everybody else manages to attract players with the reassurance of a relegation clause so to say it puts players off to us is something I don't believe for a second.
