Match Day Thread 2016/17 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

He's Argentina's highest ever goalscorer.

 

yeah but thats a bit like #doingaLukaku
i'm working on the theory that as an individual he had a bigger impact on the team than Messi has done in the only straight comparison.

 

Messi has got the team to 3 finals. Not his fault the likes of Higuain have missed very presentable chances to win the tournaments.

 

no he hasn't prior to 2014 last Argentinian appearance in a WC final was 1990 led by one Diego Maradona.

 

Meant 2 Copa America finals and a WC final.

 

I seem to remember Messi missing a pretty good chance in the World Cup final too. Also missed a pen in last Copa final shootout.

I disagree about him getting them to the final of last world cup too... Argentinas defence got them to that final.

The point on his international career is a valid one. You say record goalscorer but I bet you don't consider Rooney one of our greatest?

Maradona the greatest ever imo.

 

Lets discount everything Messi's ever done because he plays in a good team. Okay.

 

Where on earth did I even mention that ?

Way to reply and not address any of my points though

 

Only player in history to score 40+ club goals in 7 consecutive seasons
Most FIFA Ballon d'Or awards: 5
Most appearances in the FIFPro World XI: 9 times (2007-2015) (shared with Cristiano Ronaldo)
Most goals scored at the Club World Cup: 5 goals (shared with Luis Suarez, Delgado and Cristiano Ronaldo)
Only player to score in 6 different club competitions twice: 2011 and 2015
Most appearances in the top 3 candidates for the Ballon d'Or: 9 times (2007-2015)
Guinness World Records title for the most official goals in a calendar year: 91 goals (2012)
Most international goals in a year (club and national team): 25 goals (2012) (shared with Vivian Woodward & Cristiano Ronaldo)
Most consecutive league matches scored in: 21 matches (33 goals)
First footballer ever to score consecutively against all teams in a professional league
Youngest player to win 3 Ballon d'Or awards: 24 years, 6 months and 17 days.
Most FIFA Club World Cup Golden Balls: 2 (2009, 2011)
Only footballer to score 60+ goals in all competitions in 2 consecutive seasons (2011/12 and 2012/13)
Only player to score 10+ goals in the UEFA Champions League group stage in a single season (shared with Cristiano Ronaldo)
Only player to score consecutive hat-tricks in the UEFA Champions League (shared with Luiz Adriano)
Only player to score 2+ hat-tricks in 2 different UEFA Champions League seasons
Most braces scored in the UEFA Champions League: 25 braces
First player to score 5+ goals for 10 consecutive seasons in the UEFA Champions League
Most goals scored in the UEFA Champions League group stage: 57 goals
Most hat-tricks in UEFA Champions League: 7 hat-tricks
Most goals scored against a single opponent in the Champions League 9 goals against Arsenal
Fastest player ever to reach 300 goals in Europe's top 5 leagues (334 games)
Youngest player to reach 100 appearances in the Champions League
Youngest player ever to score 400+ goals for a single European club (27 years and 300 days)
Most goals against the same club in the UEFA Champions League: 8 goals against Milan (Shared with Luiz Adriano against BATE)
Most league goals scored in a season in Europe's top 5 leagues: 50 goals
Most goals scored in a season (club): 73 goals
Most goals scored in a year (club): 79 goals
Most European Cup top scorer awards: 5
Highest scorer in a UEFA Champions League game: 5 goals (shared with Luiz Adriano)
Only player to score in 23 different cities in the European Cup
Only player to finish Champions League top scorer in 4 consecutive seasons (2008/09 - 2011/12) (shared with Cristiano Ronaldo)
Most UEFA Best Player Awards: 2 (shared with Cristiano Ronaldo)
First footballer to score more than 25 goals in seven consecutive La Liga seasons (shared with Crisitano Ronaldo)
Only player in La Liga history to score 2+ hat-tricks in 7 consecutive seasons (shared with Cristiano Ronaldo)
Only player in La Liga history to score 20+ goals in 8 different seasons
Most trophies won in Spanish football: 26 trophies (shared with Iniesta)
Most penalties missed in La Liga history: 8 penalties (shared with Cristiano Ronaldo)
Only player to score in 5 Spanish Super Cup editions: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015
Most goals in Spanish Super Cup Games: 11 goals
Most away goals scored in La Liga history
Most goals scored in Derbi Barceloní (Catalan derby): 12 goals
Leading goalscorer over a season in home games: 46 goals (in 2011/12)
Leading goalscorer over a season in home league games: 35 goals (in 2011/12)
Leading goalscorer over a season in away league games: 24 goals (in 2012/13)
Leading goalscorer in the second half of a league season: 28 goals (in 2011/12)
Most opponents scored against in a single season: 19 (2012/13) (Shared with Cristiano Ronaldo and Ronaldo)
Most goals scored in La Liga in a season: 50 goals in 2011/12
Most goals scored in La Liga in a calendar year: 59 goals in 2012
Most La Liga hat-tricks in a season: 8 hat-tricks (shared with Cristiano Ronaldo)
Most league matches scored in in a single season: 27 games (2012/13) (Shared with Cristiano Ronaldo)
Most home league matches scored in in a single season: 16 games (in 2011/12)
Most away league matches scored in in a single season: 15 games (in 2012/13)
Youngest player to score 200 La Liga goals: 25 years
Most consecutive La Liga matches scored in: 21 matches, 33 goals (2012/13)
Most consecutive away league matches scored in: 13 matches, 20 goals (2012/13)
Most goals scored in El Clásico matches: 21 goals
Most goals scored in La Liga El Clásico matches: 14 goals (shared with Alfredo di Stefano)
Most hat-tricks in El Clásico matches: 2 hat-tricks
First footballer to score more than 25 goals in five consecutive La Liga seasons (shared with Cristiano Ronaldo)
First footballer to score more than 25 goals in six consecutive La Liga seasons (shared with Cristiano Ronaldo)
Most assists in La Liga: 129 assists
All time highest goalscorer in La Liga: 324 goals
Youngest player to reach 250 league goals
First player to score 40+ goals in 3 La Liga seasons (shared with Cristiano Ronaldo)

 

Think i have found messis number one fan boy

 

**** me, for the "only player" he shares a lot with others

 

Messi is ****ing class. Privilege to watch.

 

Yeah, but has he done it on a cold wet Tuesday at stoke?

 

How funny are some of those arsenal fan tv clips btw. Never really watch them but just watching one now after the City game.. 1 guy just shouting angry nonsence about same **** every year while a diff guy is trying to be interviewed, and that guy just shouting back "don't swear at me" about 600 times

Imagine knowing these people and watching that, how embarrassing lol

 

You have been missing out. That old guy claude is a classic. Thats not even his funniest meltdown. Last years ones were better

 

I don't think anyone is disputing that - just that there are other valid contenders for "best ever".
It's a pointless argument, like most in football, tbh.

 

messi is the greatest ever

ronaldo is 3rd or 4th best. mancs hate that but the reality it he had to leave them to achieve said level...

 

Messi is no doubt a special player and arguably one of the best in the world and in history.

But for me - the greatest players are the ones that make those around them better. Messi has done that albeit with existing world class players.

Maradona did it for Argentina and Napoli (I could be wrong but I'd say the sides maradona played in are weaker than the sides Messi has played in).

Ronaldo (the real one) is the best striker I've seen - he was scoring goals against world class defences both at domestic and international levels. The standard of defending he faces was light years ahead of what either Messi and c ronaldo have faced.

A lot of emphasis is on attsckers but for me, maldini is arguably one of the greatest. The longevity of his career and at such a high level is astounding.

 

Messi and Ronaldo are no doubt the best two footballers of this generation and two of the top 4 or 5 of all time. We could make certainly make a case for messi being the best of all time.

But for me it has to be Maradona. Both for his footballing skills and his achievements. Messi made impressive teams even better. Same as Ronaldo.but without Maradona none of the teams he played for would have come near their trophies.

There can be no argument that Napoli only won the Italian league because of maradona and an otherwise ordinary Argentina team winning the World Cup because of him. Messi could have elevated an ordinary team to the very top but we will never know.

 

Maradona for me as amazing messi is.

As for ronaldo vs Messi, Messi all the time. I hate the argument that Messi was surrounded by world class players as if Ronaldo was somehow playing with plodders.