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  1. Albert's Chip Shop

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    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/spor...ws/newcastle-uniteds-reckoning-upon---8693870

    The mood of Newcastle United fans is dark and the club has to act decisively - a make do and mend solution is not the answer this summer
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    Newcastle United's Jack Colback (R), Mike Williamson and Vurnon Anita look dejected after conceding against Manchester City
    Last season, it took until the dying embers of March for a fierce reckoning to swirl through St James’ Park.

    The mood had been curdling for a while, but it was heavy defeats at Southampton and then a listless display at Stoke that brought vocal dissent and agitation to the terraces. This year, that toxic atmosphere may be upon us before we see out the last of the winter frost.

    The reality that confronts us is that Newcastle, limping along as they are at the moment, need to be gutted once again this summer. Their squad – terminally light on numbers and devoid of the sufficient quality to even match their meagre top-10 target – is not fit for purpose and they require a new head coach to galvanise a club sliding into what feels like a dark place.

    John Carver has six points from seven games, which at any other club would have pushed him from an outside candidate into the list of those ruled out. But this is Newcastle and the suspicion that they will travel the route of least resistance rather than bringing in a credible external manager with new ideas and impetus, is now the overriding feeling among many supporters.

    The only external candidate that we know for certain that Newcastle approached in January was Remi Garde. If that is a sign of things to come, the club is in trouble. The fear is that caution will win the day again, but the consequences of ignoring the need for a new direction will cause further damage to a club that feels isolated from the people who yearn for it to challenge once again.

    It is not necessarily his fault, but Carver has come to represent the lack of ambition that so irks Newcastle fans. This is a club of European repute (19th richest on the Continent, the 13th biggest crowds); it can do better than where it is.

    Not everything is wrong at St James’ Park, but a culture of settling for what they have and not challenging (either for honours or each other) have failed the club. It is not too late to change this, but confirming Carver and trying to stumble on with minimal additions in the close season isn’t the answer.

    Yesterday’s performance was pitiful and has to be a crossroads moment ahead of a huge summer. It has to be a wake-up call.
     
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  2. Albert's Chip Shop

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    I'm quite laid back about yesterday in terms of the result as I expected it.

    The performance however was abject surrender.

    Will things change?

    Probably not.
     
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  3. goldie

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    No wake up call for anyone other than the stupid fans still expecting any different. Sorry to say that but I'm right.
     
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  4. Lord Jonjomort

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    The only change will be a reduction in numbers of fans.
     
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    There won't be though. Ever.

    Newcastle fans genuinely are one of the loyalist, there will always be near 50,000 turn up to watch it, even if Mike Ashley personally walks around and rubs his un-wiped arse on every miserable looking face in the stands. Unfortunately, Mike Ashley knows this.
     
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    Theche

    I think loyalty has now just become stupidity if you can't grasp that I'm right.
     
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  7. Albert's Chip Shop

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    It's kid of an illness.
    Like an addiction.
    I sleep walk my ass down to SJP each home game and just sit there going through the motions.
    Win/lose or draw my mood rarely changes now.
     
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    I prefer watching just about any other game more it's like eating rivita just boring and not even the branded rivita just some cheap ****e.
     
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  9. Lord Jonjomort

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    vs Stoke there was barely 46000, yes? I'm not sure Ashley is as right as he thinks.
     
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    Season ticket sales don't make him much he doesn't care he just uses the attendance as a lure to bring in cattle to fatten up and sell on. It would take total boycott and for a fairly lengthy period for ashley to take any action and he knows we don't have the collective intelligence and unity to carry it through.
     
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    Nothing is going to change now. Even if attendances went down by 10k it won't bother him as he will just spend less on the team. We can't win as fans this time. To be a fan of something you support them. But you expect a certain level of return and at the moment there is not much to be had back. I feel sorry for the 4k fans who travelled to Manchester with all the hype and hope for then to be behind after 30 seconds. The club should apologise for the players attitudes and clear lack of dedication. To pull on the shirt means **** all to them. Even at 3-0 man cities multi millionaires where still knocking their pan in chasing every ball. Showing a desire and dedication that we simply lack. Not one player came out of that game with any credit. It summed it up for me when the camera panned to parver and he was just shaking his head. Out of his depth. Completely.
     
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    We can't win jesus **** christ

    Thank god Martin Luther King didn't have that attitude
     
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    Total boycott is the only answer. An empty stadium, broadcast live around the world would have a massive impact.
     
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  14. Obi Wan

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    "Wind of change"?
    I thought it was yet another thread about ACS getting his fat, hairy arse out.
     
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    Classic song that....
     
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    We still need two wins and a draw (maybe abit more?) to be safe. I worry under Carver that we can achieve even that. The lads seem to think the season is over. That is a bad way to be thinking at this time and a hard attitude to set right at this point in the season.
     
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    I have a feeling that Ashley's policy is going to catch up with him this season......
     
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  19. Lord Jonjomort

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    I think he might just get away with it this year by virtue of having such awful teams around ours. I said "might". A part of me hopes he doesn't and fcks off before we play our first Championship game.

    However, I think he/the club are in last chance saloon. IF the club survives in the PL, there is simply no choice but to invest. The players at the club seem wise to what's going on and I think our best hope of recruitment is the likes of De Jong - i.e. talented enough, but absolute crocks, who we hope survive long enough to grab us points. We are so, so fortunate that Perez stepped up early on, without those few goals and points we'd be looking up enviously at Leicester. I also don't think we can continue this "our players are overpriced" method - I think more and more players are just losing focus on being here, because they realise there's no real point other than being a shop window, and players who then prove themselves hold too much power to be ransomed. If Perez, Aarons, Sissoko, etc., want to leave, they'll leave. Finally, it seems absolutely clear that Carver's utterly worthless. The coaching then also needs gutting, we can't keep this threadbare attitude and carry it into coaching, where we just keep a little gang of mates in charge of the first team. We need to employ a size of backroom appropriate for the Premier League.

    We have some really substandard dross on the pitch and even worse behind them. We seem to get rid of those who at least had potential to keep those who have no potential at all, I don't really get the agenda. It's almost as if there's a private bet - how near to the bone can you make the squad before relegation happens? I can honestly see it repeating itself again, sadly, but if it continues I'm not sure I'll have the stomach to bother anymore.
     
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    Something needs to happen. People have this false sense of guilt that they aren't supporting the club if you don't go to games. You can still support the club, and not the regime. Everyone knows the best thing for the club is to get an owner in who cares, meaning ashley has to go. Supporting anything less than that is not supporting the club. I know its easier for me tell you not to attend as im not a local, but I wake up every saturday morning at 7am and the losses bring the same grief to me as you. What I do offer is a little objectivity.

    You wouldn't believe how many fans southampton and west ham have accumulated in the stated. The club is falling behind. Soon enough we won't be able to say were a big club because the likes of Southampton, West ham, Stoke, Swansea will have all surpassed us. All we will be is an average team in every facet that used to have sir bobby and alan shearer.
     
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