Off Topic UK / EU Future

Not quite the same thing I suggest. The people of Scotland were not having their freedom taken away from them, they were maintaining the status quo.

 

It was the result of a free and fair referendum. The remain side failed to attract enough support.

 

YouGov/People's Vote

 

Mine was the latest opinion poll with the Tories showing a 6% lead.

 

It is a completely different thing Scully. At the present moment in time all British passport holders are automatically citizens of the EU - the question is, once given, is this citizenship extra and , over and above, that of British citizenship. The question of the exact nature of EU Citizenship is one for the legal experts, but the fact is that it is being forcefully taken away. Those of us who are living abroad do not have the feeling of having participated in a democratic decision - it was all done without asking us.

 

I don't know what dodgy sources you are using but on the YouGov website there are no party political polls dated later than 14th Dec.

 

I bit much accusing YouGov of misleading the public, you should contact the Guardian immediately.

 

Can you trust a Guardian explanation, it contains the latest poll figures.

do you have a problem receiving information in Germany?

If Corbyn backs Brexit, he faces electoral catastrophe | Politics | The ...https://www.theguardian.com/.../2019/jan/.../brexit-corbyn-electoral-catastrophe-yougov...

 

From the Guardian

The conventional voting intention question produces a six-point Conservative lead (40% to 34%). This is bad enough for an opposition that ought to be reaping electoral dividends at a time when the government is in crisis.

 

This more or less says what Frenchie has been saying for a while. It also tells us that remain currently has a 14% lead in opinion polls (so much for your 'will of the people') - which tells us that it would be a thoroughly undemocratic step to leave the EU and that Corbyn should get off the fence as quickly as possible. We know this already.

 

The 'will of the people' refers to the long planned designated referendum in 2016. We can test the will of the people on the same subject again in another 40 years time.

 

The rioters and anarchists in France have managed to destroy or put out of action almost two thirds of all French speed cameras since their action began.

Do we really want to be closely aligned to such a nation?

 

France happens to be just one of 27 nations making up the EU. What you always ignore is that the EU as a whole is the largest, most successfull, trading block in the World - so much so that many other areas of the World are copying it. It contains some of the highest living standards of the World, most developed democracies, and highest life expectancies outside of Japan. It is the only part of the World which has prevented war for 70 years. It also has redistributed wealth far more effectively than other areas of equal size such as the USA or China. But you will see none of that - you will only see the one negative, and take it as representative of the whole. As if I were to take the worst incidents of Belfast's history and take that as being representative of what life in the whole UK is like. Or take the New Orleans slums as a sign of how the USA as a whole doesn't work. We come on here for debate - not constant soundbites, and constant attempts at changing the subject.

 

The subject is the UK/EU relationship. Within that it perfectly normal to report on what is happening within the EU especially with those desperate to reverse the democratic decision for the UK to leave. Unfortunately there are mounting problems all around the EU, far too numerous to mention. This year will see a huge change to the EU with the UK leaving and the far right and nationalists causing havoc in the European Parliament.

By comparison to some of our near European neighbours the UK seems much more disciplined, politically neutral and stable. I could never imagine such organised nationwide destruction to the UK's disliked but respected speed cameras.

 

Now I know you are either joking or have lost some of your eyesight. My last visit to the UK was in October, and in a roughly twenty mile stretch I noticed three speed cameras that had been sprayed with paint so that they couldn't work, and two that had ropes around them which had gone up in flames.

You are really losing the plot SH. As reported earlier your no deal option is fading fast, in fact the government is actually moving towards the Labour party position of remaining in the CU and SM. With Cabinet Ministers admitting that they would resign rather than accept your position, it is time to call it a day and admit you backed the wrong horse.

 

Almost 2,000 speed cameras throughout France have been destroyed or damaged, this is a national scandal.
The UK is far too stable and orderly to accept the low standards currently affecting France. The French government is deeply unpopular with the public but the problem seems to be a widespread reluctance to respect the nation's democratic process. The predicted demise of the far right was somewhat premature.

I backed the Conservatives who have been in power for ages. If I was you I would give the predictions a miss and stick to the day job.

 

I watched a fair stretch of the debate in Parliament today, and was impressed by two MPs, from either side of the chamber. Both were doctors, and had a similar message expressed in slightly different ways. In their profession they gave a critical assessment of the need for an operation. They said that they would tell a person of both the risks and the benefits of the treatment. Both said that this assessment of the risks in leaving the EU was not given to the public before the vote, but it was rather like a dodgy cosmetic surgeon saying he could make you look thirty years younger if you paid enough. How true when you consider some of the claims made.
One said that they would vote for the government just this once so that she could keep her promise to in accordance with the voters wishes, but it would be the last time as she was now being urged to vote against by her agricultural community who had woken up to what it really meant. The other one did not have that problem and could vote against the deal would.

 

National scandal? You really have lost the plot. Before I left the UK years ago, a speed camera near my home was constantly attacked. Northants County Council admitted last year they didn't have even one in the whole county working. They just gave up because it was costing more to repair them than the revenue generated. Your indignation is sad SH.

 

Good news from Tesco and M&S tonight. They are stockpiling long life tinned and dried products as they will not be able to supply fresh food beyond a couple of days in the event of a no deal Brexit. So at least you will not starve, but the quality might not be quite as good as you are used to. I am sure you knew this SH when you voted, and it was just one of the things that you felt was worthwhile for your ideology.

 

The desperation and gullibility of some remoaners is astounding, surely even you do not believe this kind of nonsense.? You really should be more concerned with those poor French food suppliers who will be added to the already high level of unemployment in France.