What fantastic business we did - or maybe what DIRE business Cardiff did: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport.../lee-tomlin-anthony-pilkington-didnt-15106029 One paragraph in particular: Tomlin signed a bumper deal until 2020 when he agreed a move to Cardiff from Bristol City, reportedly including a wage hike if and when the Bluebirds won promotion
Warnocks worse bit of business. Followed closely by Gary Madine. I've said it before that he's a better manager when he's got no money to spend. His frees and minimal fees have been good. His bigger purchases not so. Saying that, Murphy and Reid are settling in nicely.
Reid can "settle in" all he wants. There's a reason you could have bought Bobby Reid for about 100k last summer. He can't play in midfield, either a 4 or a 3, he needs to play in that number 10 role. I said it at the time that it would be a bad move for him and by that I don't mean moving to Cardiff the club, but Warnock the manager. He will never get the best out of Bobby because of the style he plays. You won't see the best of him floating in and out of the team, or hoofing it up to him for 90 minutes. I did laugh at one of your fans comments on your main forum when there was a thread comparing him to Tomlin. He said you should keep him as he'll score loads next season in the championship He could be in the conference and still not score so long as Warnock's in charge. 13 million for Tomlin and Reid has been great business our end. I hope bobby can find some form so when you ultimately go down a better premier league team can take him and let him play proper football. Up the shagging city.
Played 442 against arsenal with Reid upfront with Ward. With permutations of ralls, camarasa and Arter in midfield there is a lot of passing going on. With options of Murphy and hoilett out wide, a bit more ball playing. It's why I said Reid was settling in, his performance on Sunday against arsenal was probably his best for us, in a 442. But still early days. As for hoofing it up to him, yes, Warnock gets the ball forward quickly, but less of a lump it up to a big lad. In a couple of our games this season, the oposition have played more long balls than we have.
I think Shiny you're being a tad OTT, though I do agree in that Bobby probably needs the system to suit him more-so than your average player in order to flourish. I think his main quality that Warnock would've liked is his work-rate, meaning he can buzz around and apply the high-pressing game that is so popular nowadays - he has good movement, plus he's got quick feet, is a comfortable passer and a decent finisher. I can't imagine him being anywhere near as prolific a goal-scorer as he was for us. Asides from the obvious that he's now playing in a tougher league and likely to have fewer chances, it's because of the type of goal he scored for us. More often than not he was finishing inside the box after passages of short passing moves, which City could do against Championship sides, but which Cardiff aren't likely to do often in the Premiership, meaning he's likely to be forced to lay the ball off more often or take longer shots, and he doesn't have a huge amount of power to make him likely to be successful. I do believe he has qualities to be a valuable player in the Premiership, provided people understand the role he needs to be playing, i.e. don't judge him on goals alone. I think playing as a secondary/shadow striker is a role he could fit into and even if he himself isn't the one putting the ball in the goal, he can be the provider and/or pull defenders out of position for others to exploit.
...Back to Tomlin, it is a shame things have turned out this way for him as he's such a natural talent. I don't know enough to question whether he doesn't work hard enough in training or his personality, though it's also probably not unreasonable to say that his history would suggest that he is occasionally a bit unprofessional and he relies on his flair to make up for lack of running compared to his peers, which isn't always reliable (as we learned after signing him permanently). At 29, he ought to be at his peak, so missing playing 1st team anywhere until January at the earliest should be considered a big blow to him. Not sure what the situation was in terms of him leaving - you would've thought that he would've moved to the Championship on loan, but maybe he was pinning all his hopes on Nottingham Forest coming in for him, or Cardiff wanted to sell him outright and there were no takers/his wage demands were too much. Without any malice towards him, I do think it's only downhill for him now and the best he's likely to achieve is to be a bit of a cult hero at certain clubs as he tumbles down the leagues. My prediction is he'll either rock up at/will come out to the press saying he wants to go back to Peterborough, but whether they want him/are willing to spend the wages on him at that point will be the sticking point.
He has obviously worked hard on his technique. Its rare there is a synergy between that level of technique and being able to turn it into consistent skill. It is rarer still that ability is allied to a frame that can meet the demands of football at its peak. Its Trundle, Jet .. Lee Tomlin's ceiling is similar.
Whilst it's generalising a bit, I'm inclined to agree. I was surprised/disappointed to see JET's sharp demise. Though he sometimes seemed to move around so slowly, when he picked up the ball he looked so assured on it, could seemingly glide and power past players at the same time like the original Ronaldo and boy could he hit it! Not adverse to stroking the ball in either though - his penalties were quite something! It can be weird how a player's able-ness to contribute to a team can be so different from their level of ability. Even today I'm sure JET has greater skill that a large number of Premiership players, but presumably it's his lack of movement above all other things that keeps him from even finding a club. We'll always have his goal against Rovers - woof.
Absolutely - look at Sol Bamba - didn’t you get him on a free? That’s one player of yours in particular I would like to come to us.
Sometimes it seems as though certain players and managers resonate with one another and Bamba and Warnock appear to be just that.
I was not surprised to see Jet not progress further. Physically he is not up to the demands. Short bursts yes … Yardage no. If you are interested in the idea of 10000 hours of deliberate practice theory its very easy to come to a view why frequently the naturally skilled cannot perform at the highest levels. Their developed skill masks elements of the game they do not have, and in reality that are unattainable.
I think that top footballers need a certain amount of 'natural' talent - you could have the most committed kid practise every waking hour not necessarily be as good as another who rocks up whenever it suits, but lack of effort will always catch up with those that aren't committed, especially in todays day and age. I think there's a saying along the lines of 'hard work can beat talent if talent doesn't work hard', but to reach the very top and stay there you need both.
Yes, Leeds paid up his contract and laughed when he signed for us for nothing. One of our top players last season. Hoillet is another.
You will almost certainly not if that refers to technical ability. Nobody gets good by birth, or accident, or laziness. A better quote is 1% talent 99% perspiration. We all have a % of a & of talent. Physique will limit potential. Mesomorphs will be at disadvantage in some sports, as will ecto and endomorphs. Many people have a fixed mindset that footballers are born. The growth mindset takes the view that footballers are made. Lee Tomlins skill is a product of process, it has to be, he cannot have been born with it - The majority of neurons needed are formed post birth via practice. Practice that some do far far more than others .. Lee Tomlin or a Jet can be looked upon as all sorts but when it comes skill, they made that happen by working at it.
Though I'm certainly not bemoaning the need/value of hard work, I do think that the ratio is a lot closer than '1% talent, 99% perspiration'. We could argue all day about something pretty much unproveable (and variable case by case), but I will throw this out there: Say there's a young man who has been released from the game, who has dedicated his life to the game, down to being tee-total, eating right and training every day. You come along and say 'you didn't make it because you didn't work hard enough', be it technical or physical. 'If only you worked as hard as someone like Jack Grealish who got where he is because of the dedication he showed'. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-pictured-sprawled-road-holiday-Tenerife.html Again, I'm not saying 'footballers are born', just that some people inherit attributes that make it that much easier for them than others.
I agree Nick , better balance and coordination (eye) I believe many are born with....I've a few friends that "it's a natural" to use a ball of some sort, be it, tennis golf and even if some hate football and not ever played as such, are still able to control a ball comfortably/Naturally.
I agree it’s something you’re born with, if it’s all about training and practice there would be a lot of players like Messi and Ronaldo. Golf for me I played twice a week, driving range and lessons as well during the week.for about 18 months and I still could not break 100 shots a round. My brother the same but without lessons and was a handicap 16 within a year. It’s all about hand eye coordination and I’ve not got it. My back put an end to it now, but he’s in single figures for handicap.
Similar, I took lessons, practiced like hell.....but one blast from the tee and 9 times out of 10 sliced it...Mate of mine can put a ball on a tee and with a one wood, one handed, walk up, swing and hit with a fairly good distance, straight as a die!!. But because of his eye for a ball, is good at cricket, tennis, badminton, squash, snooker...................pisses me right off!!
