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Discussion in 'Celtic' started by Mind The Duck, Mar 2, 2012.

  1. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    After reading the article posted by rebel, which appears to confirm consistent rule breaking by Rangers, after being shown what light heartedly can be called severe incompetence by the Scottish Media and after witnessing Farrygate, Dougie Dougiegate and Shame Game punishments...are the 3 paranoid Timmys on this board right about institutional bias in Scottish Football?

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  2. Rustie bugmuncher

    Rustie bugmuncher Well-Known Member

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    who do you classify as the three paranoid tims?

    in england if a ref is from liverpool he is not allowed to ref a liverpool / everton game. they are also asked if they follow any teams and they are not allowed to ref that team.

    Why then in scotland is it considered disgusting that officials should have to come out and say which team they support? I do not believe that there is an agenda against celtic, i simply believe that many of the officials have leanings towards the huns, as such if they see an opportunity to hurt celtic they will take it.
     
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  3. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    The three paranoid tims are:

    Harryhood


    Superhoops


    And.....


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    ME
     
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  4. Rustie bugmuncher

    Rustie bugmuncher Well-Known Member

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    so do you think there is an institutional bias against celtic?
     
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  5. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    I think there has always been favoritism....but since Mowbray took over they have fallen over themselves to help Rangers survive.....why? Well the motive has been spouted about for weeks

    "Scottish Football needs Rangers"
     
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  6. Otto Flayshow

    Otto Flayshow Well-Known Member

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    It's not paranoia if it's true.

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  7. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Paranoia you say?



    A new twist in Rangers controversy: Club accused of misleading SFA on secret dealsBy John Mcgarry
    Last updated at 12:34 AM on 2nd March 2012

    Rangers stand accused of failing to properly register players after a former director revealed secretive payments had been consistently excluded from contracts lodged with the SFA. The embattled Ibrox club are awaiting the outcome of the First Tier Tax Tribunal which will determine the legality or otherwise of Employee Benefit Trusts (EBTs).

    Regardless of whether Rangers are hit with an additional bill of £49million from the so-called 'big tax case', it appears such payments were kept 'off the books' - in direct contravention of SFA registration rules. It never rains but it pours: More accusations have been directed at the beleaguered Ibrox club. Former Ibrox director Hugh Adam, who had a 30-year association with the club until 2002, has told Sportsmail that the club's directors were aware of the arrangement - one he believes could have started as early as the mid-1990s.
    'They weren't included in the contracts. They definitely weren't. That was the whole point of them,' he said. 'If they'd been included in the contracts, they would have had to have paid tax on them.

    'I don't think a lot of the other directors knew an awful lot about it. David Murray kept everything to himself. 'The directors just wanted to sit in the directors' box. That's all. When I was on the board, I knew all about them. 'I just didn't know the details of them. They became accepted. 'The revenue were seriously challenging them at that point when I was a director.

    'People never really asked serious questions about them. "It's perfectly legal" was what they thought. 'It wasn't happening in Britain, so had nothing to do with Britain. All the directors heard about them but didn't take them seriously because they didn't appear in the books.'

    Adam's revelation suggests a clear breach of the SFA rulebook - and is a potential embarrassment to current SFA president Campbell Ogilvie, who had a 27-year association with Rangers, many of them spent as secretary. The SFA rule on registration states: 'All payments made to a player relating to his playing activities must be clearly recorded upon the relevant contract and/or agreement.

    'No payment for his playing activities may be made to the player through a third party.'

    Adam, the man who funded the redevelopment of Ibrox through Rangers pools, believes payments into discretionary trusts may have gone on well before the turn of the millennium. It's understood the 'big tax case' relates to EBT payments from 2000 until 2009 but, when questioned if he heard of similar payments in the mid- 1990s, Adam confirmed: 'Without having any specialist knowledge, I'm pretty sure.

    'People didn't want to know about them. There was a lot of that (EBTs) going on at the time (I was there). 'You knew it was cheating but some of them not only hoped but believed it was above board. 'It's this thing that when something happens it has to have a beginning and an end, but that wasn't the case with the overseas things.

    'It was just something that crept up. It was considered important but not crucial. The fans didn't give a damn one way or another. You could argue that they knew about it but didn't think it was important. 'Maybe they never thought it was as much as it really was. And maybe it wasn't. I don't know if you remember radio stations from ships. 'I don't think they were making a fortune but they weren't costing a lot of money, so no one bothered. 'When I was asked for my opinion on the way the club had been run, I said it was quite obvious how it had got into trouble.'They were doing things they shouldn't have been doing.

    'They (EBTs) were always regarded in my time as a bit of a joke. They were getting away with it but nobody really thought they'd get away wi th i t forever. 'It would be an offshore trust - almost like a boat. You could dodge your taxes that way. It wasn't something that you picked up the paper and read about. It was one at a time then grew on a gradual basis.

    'The players were very naive. Few of them were the Brain of Britain, of course. If they get the money, they don't give a damn where it's coming from.'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...isleading-SFA-secret-deals.html#ixzz1nxDosMeT
     
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  8. Magic Laudrup 11

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    What third party paid the players? I thought the money was meant to have come from Rangers and paid as a bonus?
     
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  9. DevAdvocate

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    If it's not "On the books" then the payment was not made by Rangers. The EBT in this case would be considered a 3rd party. (I assume).
     
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  10. Bib Fortuna's Maw

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    RM poster that I work with has kept claiming over the past couple of weeks that Rangers did nothing wrong from their end and any "Tax **** ups<laugh>" were committed by some mob in Jersey.

    I'd say that's a third party <ok>
     
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    The reason super and myself come across as paranoid is were older and lived through this 30/40 years of cheating , and listened to older people telling us it's gone on longer , It's with great pride I've been proved right , I still believe sfa were in it all the time. I've now thrown away my paranoid bonnet and going to enjoy life without Rangers upsetting me , away to Aberdeen for weekend to celebrate with family
     
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  12. Tina_old

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    Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

    <laugh>
     
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  13. Barrie Lochrie

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    Tina's stutter hell <insertmultiplesmileys>
     
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  14. Tina_old

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    Glug glug.
     
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  15. Fabulous Fabio

    Fabulous Fabio Well-Known Member

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    Aye that'll be ****ing right ya auld ****
     
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  16. Super hooper

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    Mind the step. If you consider myself, and Harry are paranoid I consider to be called that by you to be a great honour. It is about the only
    thing that grieves me as a Celtic supporter that there exists in some numbers people who claim to be Celtic supporters but who have chosen
    to close their eyes and ears to what is and what has happened in Scottish football over as many decades as you want to go. It is no surprise
    to me that Rangers have attempted EBT's and Double registration. The reason they did it was because there was very little chance of them
    been stopped. Note they have already got away with EBTs for 10/12 years.
     
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  17. Fabulous Fabio

    Fabulous Fabio Well-Known Member

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    SH just seeing your posts make me beel like ****, not even reading the ****e contained within the posts but just the structure of them, look at the ****ing state of it <grr>

    ****ing sort it ya ****
     
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  18. Tina_old

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    The over-use of the enter key makes me laugh.
     
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  19. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Hoops is a bit behind the times, he's using an old Enigma machine to post.

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  20. Super hooper

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    Wrong again Dev, failed British Soldier Failed and found to be a bent copper and now failed as a detective. I never had one of your
    Enigma machines, nor have I ever even seen one. Not surprised you have one though, probably knocked it off in your bent copper days.
     
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