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Discussion in 'Leicester City' started by Bedfordfox, Sep 10, 2011.

  1. Bedfordfox

    Bedfordfox Member

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    Are circulating, and rightly so. If I see promise, idea or some kind of tactical nouse I could have some patience, I see jack all. We have a has been playmaker in charge living on former glory.

    Tactically imcompetent. I will no doubt be ridiculed for this but he'll be gone by Christmas I am sure. So many things wrong it is embarrassing just like our striker search.

    Get rid now whilst we are still in with a shout cause his style of play etc means a lucky top 10 max. If you can be bothered look at his pointe tally over the last 10, 15, 20 games. Rubbish.

    Sod off Sven
     
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    I ****ing love it!
     
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  3. Emilio_Ivanhoe_Heskeynho

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    I wouldn't get rid, but more because we need some stability and I don't like the idea of picking another manager - what options are there?

    I do agree that Sven is clearly tactically hopeless and even when the system is right, the football is still very poor. We also have some very talented players vastly underperforming, as well as some average (a kind description for some) defenders.

    We've not had one convincing performance yet, maybe Forest but we still didn't kill the game off even though we were robbed. One of Sven's decisions in that game, bringing Gallagher on, let them back into the match.

    It's not like we've been unlucky or have looked like we're 'getting there'. We've not really improved since the first game, and have regressed since the end of last season. We are, in truth, playing worse football than we did under Pearson with worse results. We are not moving forward and the blame has to lay at the managers feet, he's been here for nearly a year and we haven't improved to the extent we need to. People can say it's only 6 games all they like but we are already 8 points behind 2nd place, and aren't playing well at all.
     
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  5. FoxyJim

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    I went yesterday and never was 30 quid squandered so badly. First half was pathetic, second half mediocre. Matt mills is the defensive eqivalent of akinbiyi- £4m?? blimey. He never won a header or passed to a teammate all game. I am sorry but all the money we have has blinded us, both sven and the fans. We immediately made the mistake of both going for players sven knows from other clubs and supposed big names. Plenty of players who would have got us promoted were not even looked at. We are now left with a squad full of midfielders and average defenders with no width no invention and only 2 strikers good enough to get goals. Look at the players west ham have signed players like lansbury and taylor and nolan who can make a difference to a game, we have no one like this. We had an opportunity this summer to handpick the best players in the championship, some young stars and maybe one or two prem players on loan. players like nathaniel clyne, wayne routledge, jason shackell, jacob butterfield, albert adomah, darren ambrose, grant leadbitter, michael chopra, mendez-laing, luke varney, jason puncheon, liam trotter, luke chambers would have been available for less money than we spent, and while they wouldnt have been big names they would have been better options than what we have.

    there was seemingly no system in place with regards to recruitment. we went after maynard non stop till after the madrid game where it suddenly dawned on sven that we might not get him so started bidding for every striker ever who would cost over 5m. I am actually happy with beckford, but the way we got him was plain stupid. he wants 4-33 but hasnt signed one winger?? why not spend the 4m on kebe and play tunchev who is a million times better than mills, or go hell for leather for routledge who was available for around 2m? with all the money we have we have a squad weaker than last year, with no one who can come on and change a game- and before anyone mentions king yesterday the ball bit him and went in then he he did very little. unless we get 2 or 3 in on loan-another striker and 2 wingers (andros townsend and sanchez watt maybe) then we have no chance of top 6. we played well at forest for an hour and well for about half an hour against saints and thats it in 6 games. there is no structure, no teamwork, no fluidity, no proper formation that works, and bamba is having to do the job of 4 men at the back, with the players we have this would be my team for the brighton game:

    Schmiechel
    Konchesky
    Bamba
    Peltier
    Pantsil

    Dyer
    Wellens
    Fernandes
    Johnson

    Beckford
    Howard

    subs
    weale
    ball
    king
    schlupp
    vassell

    2 UPFRONT, 2 WIDE PLAYERS WELLENS HOLDING, PROMPTING FERNANDES BOX TO BOX WE ARE LEICESTER LETS GO FOR IT AND STOP ****ING AROUND
     
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  6. FoxyJim

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    oh and i forgot sean scannell, marvin emnes, jay rodriguez, liam lawrence, ricardo fuller, etc etc my point is we have massive funds and should now be sitting here looking at a great squad strong everywhere, instead its a mishmash, and if beckford has any sort of injury or gets one we have steve howard, darius vassell and schlupp left. its a joke, and its a wasted summer, would be better off with someone who knows this league and english leagues inside out like steve cotterill or even mark hughes we he willing to drop down. im not saying sven out until he has more time to turn things around but i cannot see anything to inspire me that says we will improve.
     
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  7. CorbyFox'62

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    Agree totally - apart from saying that, for me, the sooner the Swede goes the better for the club.
     
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  8. Danger Fox

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    OK every ones angry - We should be dispatching teams like Barnsley by a cricket score and we're not - However,more instability with a new manager who will want his own team is not the answer - Sven has not become a bad manager in the close season - The fact is this league is tighter than a nuns grumble and we have thrown far too many new players together to ever think about putting in settled performances.

    Yes we want success and yes we want it now - Tough we aren't going to get it with any manager and any group of players - We need to be patient and build a squad that can combine and become let the sum of the whole equal the sum of the parts
     
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  9. Greatness_Since_1884

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    People do like to over-react don't they.

    OK, we drew one game yesterday that, on paper, we should have won but it isn't the end of the world and we can bounce back. People are talking like we lost 6-0. Teams have bad games. It's a fact of football. We aren't going to steamroller every opposition we play.

    I was confused when Sven went for the 4-3-3 and the only reason I can think that he did that was that, being an away game, he wanted to set-up with a more conservative formation. Obviously it didn't work and we played better when we changed the formation. It's now obvious to all and sundry that we play better in the diamond and there is no way we won't play that against Brighton. The defence had a poor game (Pantsil especially) but they're too good as players to play that badly twice and you have to hope a hell of a lot more work will go into the defence in training.

    Attacking wise, I think Beckford was isolated in the first half and when he worked himself into space, there was nobody within 20 yards of him but in the 2nd half it did improve and we played better football and it was a more even game. Also Beckford played a lot better when he had people around him. We forced them to go longer up to Gray and the boy had the better of Mills in the air and that was surprising given I think Matt's best attribute is his heading. I think Peltier and St Ledger should come in for the next game for Pantsil and Bamba and those two definitely have a point to prove and they'll know they have to play well and take their chance. This is when a large squad can really help the team respond after lackluster performances.

    I think that if we get within touching distance of the top two come the turn of the year, then I think in the 2nd half of the season we can kick on and our strength in depth will help as will the fact the players will have spent 4 solid months playing football together which has to help. Norwich did much the same thing last season when they built up their momentum through December-Jan time and come March-April they were unstoppable. Manchester United have done this for years. Pick up points in 3rd gear at the start and work your way up the gears as the season progress' and build up momentum as well. The two top teams have that good momentum from last season are doing well and the test for them will come when they start to loose games and whether they can get back to the level they were. The league is never won in September and there is no reason why we cannot get promoted this season. Yes we need to improve but the players, the manager, the coaches will all know that and will know they have to work. The players came here to play in the PL and the only way they will do that is by knuckling down and playing well.

    As for the O'neill story, it's a very easy story for somebody to write. The time isn't now to sack the manager. We're three points from the play-offs for crying out loud.

    There is room for improvement but I would rather get these performances out of the way now (whilst continuing to pick up points) than have them in the crunch period of March-April and now we can kick on from this disappointment, learn the lessons and come out on the other side better for it. I still think the pot's simmering with us. We're playing in fits and starts at the moment and I can just see there being one game where everything clicks and we put 5 past somebody and then the confidence starts to flow, the players get more comfortable, the pressure lifts and the momentum starts to come.

    What is it they say; picking up points when you're not playing well is the sign of a good team?
     
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  10. Burmesefox

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    I was on the verge of going yesterday but very glad I didnt and ended up working instead. This was a very very poor result but why does everyone talk about us playing 4 3 3 when I have never seen us play that formation? we play 4 ****ing 5 ****ing 1 and low and behold Beckford was seemingly isolated..just like Nugent before him. Sven, please play 4 4 2!
     
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  11. I used to be john fallen

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    A very very poor result? did we lose 5-0? unbeaten away...
     
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  12. Proud Fox

    Proud Fox Well-Known Member

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    Nigel Pearson gave us stability = success

    We need to get behind the team and not wanting the manager to be sacked every time we have a slow start. If in 10 games time we are in the top 6 then maybe there is something to think about but not at the minute

    Some people are never happy

    If a new man did come in he would have the same team and we would be in the same boat. We have a great team just take a little time
     
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  13. Emilio_Ivanhoe_Heskeynho

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    I don't often disagree with you but I think it's more worrying than you make out.

    All and sundry know we must play a diamond formation but that is why it is so clear that Sven doesn't have a clue. It was inexplicable to play 4-3-3/4-5-1 yesterday.

    A draw away at Barnsley might have been a good result if we weren't 8 points adrift of the top 2 having lost 2 home games already (against opposition in very poor form). The win against Southampton was good but it was yet another example of Sven's poor tactical nouse when he changed it in the second half.

    It's all very well having a lot of players but that doesn't necessarily mean strength in depth, in defence we are very short, the first choices are inconsistent at best and we only have St Ledger, Ball and Peltier as back up, 2 of which I don't rate at all, and the other I'm undecided on. The dfence has been playing badly since after the Reading game, it is a poor unit and generally too slow.

    In midfield we have a lot of players, but none of them can really take players on and make something happen, Danns you would think would be the best but he's done it about 3 times thus far. We still have only one winger, and Dyer isn't good enough. The creativity is coming from nowhere and we are just resorting to hoofball and creating very few chances, we mostly only get a chance to cross on the corner of the box, and they are usually very poor.

    We won't be able to push on in December/January if we aren't good enough. I'm seeing little encouragement.
     
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  14. FILEYseadog

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    Nigel Pearsons Black and Amber Army.
     
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  15. Danger Fox

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    Proud - This is too important to Leicester fans for this purile **** to be posted - Please remove this comment and prevent this poster from adding more of the same
     
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  16. Greatness_Since_1884

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    I don't think our game plan is to take players on. I think it's too pass and work the ball to create openings and try and play balls in behind the defence for the likes of Beckford to run onto. Creating chances and scoring goals hasn't really been the problem so far, it's been at the other end where we've struggled. Especially in the diamond I think we'll create chances because it looks more fluid and allows us to play our passing football. With Beckford up top now, I think we should be able to take more of those chances. Add to that our most creative player being injured and I think we'll create our fair share of chances.

    Defensively, I think the main problem is we're defending too high a line which means one pass in behind the defence and the opposition is through. That and the gap between the full-back and centre-back is too big at times which again makes it easy to play in behind us and too often we're running back towards our own net.

    I would bring in Peltier and St Ledger for Pantsil and Bamba next game.
     
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  17. Burmesefox

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    No, we drew to a side we really should have beaten considering the players we have in the side. The manner of the result was actually worse than the result itself. I always said it would take 6/8 games for the players to bed in but it doesn't appear at the moment that we are actually progressing. if sven sticks to a team and plays 4 4 2 we will do far better. get well soon Nooge, we need you up front with Breckford.
     
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