English please. Don't understand 'that previous in such utter nonsense'. Oh, the irony Ta for new sig
Martinez had a decent summer window. Got players he wanted in on their realistic budget, same answer though really, let's see where they finish. It's not even remotely as big an undertaking as United either. The expectation and pressure is **** all by comparison. You could instead use Rodgers as an example, his second season showing what he was planning for. There were plenty Liverpool fans up in arms mid season last year who are currently eating their words.
Ahhh someone that likes to pull people up for speed typing. It clearly meant 'that has previous' - but obviously you needed that explained? Previous in your case including this beauty http://www.not606.com/showthread.ph...ridge-the-toughest-place-in-Europe-to-play-at
On current form - Sturridge is the better striker, fact. Earlier in the thread I acknowledged that RVP is a better striker, perhaps you didn't read that far back??
Sturridge has 6 goals in 4 games since returning from Injury - Hence, is currently in better form than RVP
Its not, granted, but going from wigan to Everton is a pretty big jump. Not to dissimilar to Everton to united. And Rodgers isnt the best example, he didnt join a side after a long term manager. Hes also forward thinking and tactically seems to have at least a bot of an idea what he wants. None of that applies to moyes. Hodgeson is a better comparison.
Why does taking over after a long term manager make it easier? Rodgers took over the club, went backwards initially then went forward. You use Hodgson as if that's an example of the correct way of doing things? Really? There are many examples of managers who are successful or not after long or short term managers. It's entirely random really. The common denominator usually is that most aren't being touted for the sack after six months. Some do of course, usually by clubs with little success and idiots in change. Like Liverpool, who one league cup and little success later are not too far from where they were when they decide to sack Hodgson after giving him no time to do his job.
His job included signing Konchesky, selling or alienated our promising youth (Insua/Kacaniklic) and having awful form. His style of football included one striker and a constant hoof mentality. Rafa had one striker too and still managed to play free flowing football. He signed Poulsen, made sure that Torres was sufficiently dissatisfied with the direction he was running the club in, said that the fans protesting the owners were not helping anyone, etc etc. His results? Awful. Draws, insane substitutions, hit and hope football. We were on our way down, not up. The minute he left, the optimism and attacking pass-and-move from Kenny changed the mentality of the club for the better. We won silverware, almost won more, and played some good football that year and the next. When Kenny got the most he could out of the squad (only one and a half seasons in - hardly long-term), we hired a young manager with a clear philosophy that so far has worked wonders for us. I see some similarities between our situations, only United fans are torn between supporting Moyes or hating him. He's not as bad as the Hodge but ask yourself what his peak is. Is that level something that United should strive for? I don't know. You will know better than me or any LFC supporter soon enough. Our only regret is not firing Hodgson sooner, or not hiring him in the first place. If he were given time, we would be the best team in the entire Championship.
This is all probably true. Hodgson wasn't my comparison though, Rodgers was. The only way I would really use Hodgson as a comparison is that he was treated shoddily in a spiteful disgusting way by your club and fans which is what I hope to god we avoid with Moyes, regardless of whether his results pick up or not. This is my point, we really should support the bloke for this season at least and see how it pans out before turning on him. The suggestion we'll never recover from a poor season is bollocks.
The only fan that springs to mind that was 'up in arms' about Rodgers is MFG (muppet finder general). I believe the vast majority on here, and in real life, could see what Rodgers had planned and was more than happy to give him time. Rodgers came out and talked about his vision and the way he wanted to play, he had plans to take us forward. Whereas, as far as I can see Moyes hasn't offered the Utd fans anything like that. This is probably one of the main reasons why people are on his back so early on, they don't think he has any concrete tactical plans for the future. Rodgers from day one, said what he wanted and the brand of football he wanted Liverpool to play - and we are now seeing what he said become reality. I'm sure if Moyes came out and said "xx xx x x xx x x" about how he plans to build for the future people would get off his case and give him more of a chance
I agree up to a point. It's clear that Moyes has decided to rebuild but he's not said in explanatory terms what his plan might be. Perhaps he doesn't think he has to? Well maybe he should. Rodgers loves the sound of his own voice, he's on talk sport twice a week in the morning. They're different, I'll give you that. And I know muppet bloke was particularly vocal but he wasn't alone. No way was he. Look, maybe there's no right or wrong in all this. I disagree completely with the up in arms approach of certain posters and think it's ridiculous but they're entitled to their opinion. As I am mine. I just see absolutely nothing at all to gain from hounding a bloke out of his job mid season. It benefits no one.
It bothers me a bit that he hasn't come out and said anything in so far as what he wants to do or what he is trying to achieve. Though if it was obvious as to how he is trying to get us playing I wouldn't mind. It's just the fact that we don't seem to have any defined tactic other than panic and look slightly clueless.
He's said a number of times the squad needs refreshing and rebuilding and it's pretty obvious he's trying to do this and, ultimately, win things. As if that needs spelling out. Other than that I'm not sure I remember when it became that managers had to do a commentary on their tactics. Did Rodgers in fact invent this? Is this now law? He's rebuilding, they're allowing him to do it, so best get your head around that or football will make you unhappy for a while.
Im pretty certain that managers are supposed to tell their own players the gameplan and what tactics will be used in the game. I also heard that footballers train through the week to practice these tactics. Why does none of this apply to Mr Moyes? Why does he feel that he needs no gameplan, no tactics, no clue? Thats why I want him gone, not because hes lost a few games but the pathetic manner he has done so. He has infinitely better players at his disposal than hes ever had, yet hes producing the worst football hes ever produced. Depth... hes out of it.
No, the point is why the **** should he tell you? Are you genuinely telling me you think he doesn't train the players? I really would love, from your base not in Manchester, how you know so much about what is going on within the club. Or are you just guessing? Don't bother to answer, we know it.
He doesnt need to, he should be telling his players though. Its pretty obvious hes not. There is no plan. Perhaps it gets lost in his thick Scottish accent or maybe the players havent cleaned their ears. Who knows? So he doesnt need to tell us anything, no manager does but its usually the case that the fans watch the team and can usually see what gameplan and tactics are being used. Its part of what we discuss as fans post match a lot of the time. It might help if he told the players though, some have already come out and said he doesnt let them know enough like which team will be playing until tge last second.
No you're right, it's pretty obvious he doesn't. He just sits in his office all day on facebook then picks some names out of a hat and sends them out. Obvious.
