Yeah it was more a dig at David - so yes the D-Bomb was gonna be dropped on ya asses But to be honest if a decent manager like Rodgers, Had a pick of 3 of your best players to add to our squad we wouldn't be far off it. Whereas Moyes needs about 40000 new players to even stand a chance
His own team? God help us if we let it get that far. look, I admire your faith in moyes but your one of a tiny minority now, the guys awful. Ask yourself why some nobody gets more support than the players yoy have supported for the best part of tge past 4 or 5 years. Players who have more than proved their worth. Players short on confidence because like everyone else, they see moyes for what he is, poor. You are far yo quick to slate the team. They are not blameless but like soldiers in battle they follow orders. If the orders are bad then the results can be terrible. Im confident that of I could be arsed to go back many page's to what we were talking about in the summer, you, me and every other united fan on here would state we have the 3rd or 4th best squad and we would be happy as long as moyes finishes top 4 with a good cup run. Anything below that would be seen as a failure by moyes. Well guess what, things are not looking very good, the guy withbthe 3rd fastest car in the race doesnt even know how to turn the ****ing ignition, hes somehow put it in reverse and fallen out of the driving seat.
I have to go to work so can't reply in full. Suarez is better than both RVP and Rooney - Every man and his dog know that. All you have to do is a poll of the PL best striker and it will either be Suarez or Aguero that tops it. Only complete nutters would choose RVP and Rooney. Sturridge is the perfect partner for Suarez due to his pace. Rooney is slow as ****, and RVP is static, just waits for the ball and buries it - however, not very often these days Whereas Sturridge scores most games he plays and his movement all round the pitch put's RVP to shame Also to suggest that you are on par with Chelsea is actually laughable, and the tinted glasses need to come off!! P.S. thanks for giving me credit for making a great effort Swarbs P.P.S. Stop moaning about Injuries - Sturridge is injury prone and Suarez is nutter prone, so we often lost them during the season at some point
United' squad was on a par with ours pre the Jan transfer window. Ours has more balance now with the addition of Matic. Theirs is less balanced now with the addition of Mata to other ACMs Rooney, Kagawa and Fellaini. But United certainly have depth in that position now. Suarez and Sturridge best in the Prem v smaller teams. RVP and Rooney best strikers in Prem (along with Aguero) in big games. In a title run-in, and big CL games I would take RVP, Roon, Aguero over SAS all day long. Suarez has only scored 6 goals v top 4 in four years http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...scored-23-goals-season-NONE-against-four.html
To say that Moyes has not delivered so far is an understatement. But I am not convinced that he is a "lost case" and that he will NEVER be able to deliver. I might think after a match "that f**ker is useless and we won't go anywhere with him and therefore we need to get rid of him." That point has not been reached...Not for me anyway.
Welcome Not moaning about injuries - just pointing out that your post clearly stated that was your team when all players were fit. But RVP hasn't been fully fit for most of this season, so trying to make that claim based on current form is pointless. For what it's worth, with all players fit and on form, my combined team would be: ----------De Gea -Rafael-Agger-Evans-Enrique -Carrick/Fletch/Lucas--Gerrard -Rooney--Suarez--Mata -----------RVP With the ability to switch Carrick, Fletcher and Lucas depending on what team you're up against, and what you need in midfield, and Sturridge, Sterling and Januzaj coming off the bench as needed. Now that team really would have a chance of winning the league!
Erm goal keeper, right back, one cb if hes fit, Chelsea woyld take every striker we have, city would have both rvp and Rooney involved. So more than you think. Its quite sad that a small number of united fans genuonely believe the squad is actually ****. Its pretty obvious what the main issue is but weve been over that.[/QUOTE] I think what is more amazing Is that some fans don't appreciate the enormity of the job Moyes has got on his hands. Step away from the squad quality for one minute, like I said straight away in the thread I believe we're fourth best in the league currently with the players we have. That is what I think so the players are better than their league position suggests. What I don't get is, you blokes do realise that Moyes has just stepped into one of the top four managerial positions in domestic world football right? One of the very biggest in world football. This would have happened to any manager, it's not as simple as just walking in and clicking your fingers and the team carries on as normal, there is bound to be change. Especially as some of the more senior players who are on their way out are stuck in their ways and the younger ones have never know anything other then Fergie's ways. There will be a lull, I believe this would have happened whoever took over. It's now all about how we kick on from here. Rather than calling for his sacking now, why not see how the rest of the season pans out. The window is closed, the squad is what it is, let's see if they can have a good finish to the season with some impetus. I still maintain he needs decent experienced coaching on board so he can get to grips with the enormity of every facet of the job, the ones he brought clearly are not good enough. For this to happen the man needs support. Most supporters are behind him, regardless of what a few people on some internet forums might say.
The problem is that this is new to many fans. The uncertainty, the losing of matches they "believe" we ought to win etc. The lull was inevitable and could have been foreseen. I agree too that sacking the experienced coaches to bring his own was understandable but in retrospect a mistake with a massive impact on players.
I think what is more amazing Is that some fans don't appreciate the enormity of the job Moyes has got on his hands. Step away from the squad quality for one minute, like I said straight away in the thread I believe we're fourth best in the league currently with the players we have. That is what I think so the players are better than their league position suggests. What I don't get is, you blokes do realise that Moyes has just stepped into one of the top four managerial positions in domestic world football right? One of the very biggest in world football. This would have happened to any manager, it's not as simple as just walking in and clicking your fingers and the team carries on as normal, there is bound to be change. Especially as some of the more senior players who are on their way out are stuck in their ways and the younger ones have never know anything other then Fergie's ways. There will be a lull, I believe this would have happened whoever took over. It's now all about how we kick on from here. Rather than calling for his sacking now, why not see how the rest of the season pans out. The window is closed, the squad is what it is, let's see if they can have a good finish to the season with some impetus. I still maintain he needs decent experienced coaching on board so he can get to grips with the enormity of every facet of the job, the ones he brought clearly are not good enough. For this to happen the man needs support. Most supporters are behind him, regardless of what a few people on some internet forums might say.[/QUOTE] Thats the thing, most are not. A month or two back then yes, most were but weve been horrific during that period and most are past the point of no return. Would you agree that moyes is not a novice but a highly experienced manager who has come to United from englands 4th most successful club. Hes not come from nowhere ffs. Everton are small to us but are still one of tge biggest clubs around. I disagree about the same thing happening to any managet. Simply not true. Its as bad as it could possibly be. If anything, no manager could do worse.
Theres a lull and then theres a complete **** up. 1st to 8th would be considered a disaster of epic proportions. Anything below 4th is a failure, regardless of tge tired bullshit being fed to us about time and patience. This wasnt supposed to be a moyes thread but its becime one. Shame really, was trying to discuss the side without tge failings of the inept manager. As for older fans, ask yourselves, do you accept failure or not. Not asking for an essay about the 70s and 80s. The past is the past and it couldn't be a more different era. Plenty of things happened in the past that are unacceptable today. Do we have a right to win? No. Does that excuse failure? No.
Hernandez and Wellbeck better than anyone we have. The former would get 25 goals plus for us. We should have gone for him as part of mata deal
