I look forward to Alastair (I voted Liberal yet conveniently count all Labour votes as pro-Remain) Campbell citing this in his next argument.
I think that all but a very few committed brexiteers voted for Farage Ltd or UKIP. Any claim that their 35% share of the vote is a resounding endorsement of brexit is seriously flawed.
There has been a resounding judgement on the way the Tories and Labour have behaved in parliament and with the EU in implementing the will of the referendum result. Assuming the EU are true to their (current) word, then leaving the EU with subsequent trade under a WTO regime is the only decision that can be made that was an option for the both the UK electorate and the EU. Time for Parliament to act accordingly.
No chance. Parliament will block a no deal Brexit. If whoever takes over as PM decides to try and push it that far they will almost certainly face a vote of no confidence. Given the current numbers it only needs 4 Tory MPs to vote for it and down comes the Gvt. Clarke and Grieve would certainly be two of those. That would most likely trigger a GE. If Farage runs, as he’s threatening to, that will split the Tory vote. Probably letting in Corbyn with the SDP propping him up.
There are no facts about who voted for whom yet. It just my feeling that if I was a committed brexiteer I would vote for a party that stood solely on that basis, just as I voted for a party committed to trying to remain. Those that voted for Labour or Tory were either ambivalent or were remain but staying loyal to their usual preference
Then by definition they must vote to back the citizen May deal. The EU have made them the only two leave options.
You seem to forget both these parties stood on a manifesto to leave the EU and still do, even if that form of leaving may vary. This assumption that somehow the two largest parties in the House of Commons are now sitting on remain manifestos is not only hugely presumptuous, it's outright incorrect.
Not entirely true. The EU offered us a FTA last year which May flat out refused because she wanted us to remain aligned (tied) to the EU as much as possible. https://euobserver.com/brexit/141238 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...sk-repeats-offer-Canada-style-trade-deal.html
I very much doubt that. I strongly suspect that there will be a second vote. Labour are coming out in favour of it. Parliament is deadlocked and I cannot see any way out of the impasse. On the ballot will probably be May’s deal and remain. Personally, I’d like to see no deal on the ballot too, but as parliament has constantly rejected no deal as an option, I’m not sure that’s possible.
1. Voted leave, voted elsewhere for MEP to punish their usual party for effing things up. 2. Voted remain, voted elsewhere for MEP to punish their usual party for being perceived as aiding and abetting the leave process. 3. Voted leave, remained loyal in the belief that their usual MEP party will deliver the leave outcome. 4. Voted remain, remained loyal in the belief that their usual MEP party will work to prevent leave happening. So for the Labour/Tory voters who voted in the referendum. please feel free to tell us what you think the proportions are for each of the above demographics.
The EU have said there will be no more horse-trading on T+Cs for a leave deal. So be it. "I strongly suspect that there will be a second vote. Labour are coming out in favour of it. Parliament is deadlocked and I cannot see any way out of the impasse. On the ballot will probably be May’s deal and remain. Personally, I’d like to see no deal on the ballot too, but as parliament has constantly rejected no deal as an option, I’m not sure that’s possible." Any new referendum should now ask : 1. Leave (on the explicit understanding that this may result in trading with the EU under WTO regimes) . 2. Remain
I’m happy, personally, to see on deal on the ballot. However, as I’ve said, whether parliament would allow that I don’t know.
Parliament should demand that the T+Cs of that EU offer are put into the public domain for comparison with the executive summary of the citizen May deal. The woman has damaged her desired political legacy and the near-term fortunes of her party severely. Claiming she was only 90% at fault rather than 95% is a moot point.
You are right about the manifestos, but there are nearly always parts of a manifesto that do not tie in with your own list of requirements. In a GE you choose the party that is nearest to what you will accept (if you actually read and understand the issues that is). This is a single issue where the choice is far clearer.
