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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. ELLERS

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    i only think Trump will run if he knows he will win. His ego wont be able to take another loss.
    Personally I reckon it will be someone else without all the baggage.
    Biden has been a disaster and the vice President is hugely disliked. They will be gone and the Republicans will win.
     
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    The public couldn’t give a toss mate, unless it effects them personally.
    I mean all this stuff about having your rights to protest taken away and people are now up in arms……well they started that right years ago with the CJB (CJA). People didn’t give a **** at the time ‘cos it only effected those horrible travellers and drugged up ravers.
    We the British Public can do nothing about it and are sleepwalking into submission…..
     
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    Trump has already hinted strongly that he will run again. I really can see it happening
     
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    It’s an odd one tbf and used by a lot of those who are more interested into promoting national exceptionalism. Usually fairly easy to spot as in the same breathe they state why their nation is so good they justify it by telling you how **** another nation is.
     
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    Read the book I mentioned Will……..examines the difference between patriotism and nationalism.
     
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    Totally agree, it’s history repeating replace travellers with people holding up ambulances and ravers with extinction rebellion.. bingo.
     
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    To a point I agree, the media must have their scapegoat…….however I too hate those middle class ****tards from extinction rebellion with all my heart so hard for me to comment.
     
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    That's the whole point for me.

    There's a huge difference between the two, but if one says one is a patriot, many many people simply hear Nationalist.
     
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    One or two like that on here, Will.
     
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    Loved a good rave. Those were the days
     
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    It’s very easy to confuse 1 for the other….
     
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    There’s a **** narrative around Biden, he has stumbled on words, forgotten a name.. you could almost be forgiven in thinking I was describing Johnson, is he passed it age wise? Do people suggest he’s got dementia ? Never seen Biden bang on about pepper pig world in front of big industry
     
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    In a way I wish I’d had a camera to record those days……however it probably would have ruined the vibe. Brilliant times mate
     
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    Yeah - patriotism good, nationalism bad. As Will has pointed out, though, when patriotism becomes national exceptionalism, that's also bad imo.
     
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    Is it though?

    I am incredibly patriotic. I also admire any other people from any other Nation being patriotic.

    Trouble is, if an Englishman says he's patriotic, he's labelled a Nationalist.
    If a Scotsman or Welshman says it, he's lauded.
     
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    I agree there’s a difference the issue is that nationalists think they are patriots. It’s sad when remembrance days get polluted by people trying to show they remember more than others.

    I will emphasise this is some, a small proportion of people that do this not the majority.
     
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    Do you not think that Biden is showing some form of cognitive disorder ? I don’t say that with any ill will or malice……I do find it rather sad to be honest as I find dementia heartbreaking.
    Johnson is just a total bumbling ****tard.
     
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    I was more thinking a person who actually considers themselves Patriotic can in fact be Nationalistic…..without actually realising it.

    But yeah, your point is also correct in my opinion
     
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    I get that because the media are presenting you with people that will get your back up. Nothing wrong with middle class people wanting to make a change though. With both insulate Britain and extinction rebellion.. I back their causes just think their ways of going about it are counter productive.
     
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    I'm patriotic in some ways I guess (never more so than watching the 2012 Olympics opening ceremony), but mostly I'm embarrassed by overly patriotic people, of any nationality.

    Do you believe that the British, or perhaps just the English, are inherently better than other nations, Col?
     
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