the only way

convinced the only way teams like us ..and say the mackems etc ... middle downwards in the prem ..

is focus on youth development ... dont sell them either , mixed with hardworking players with team spirit and belief ... will take time ...

this is where i would be spending the millions ... get rid of these old style scouts and coaches aswell ...

cant loose to be honest cause it aint working anyway ...




why ??????????


we just cannot compete with london clubs and wealthy billionaires

sky have created this money monster and the greed wants part from all over the globe ..

 

I wouldn't be against the £££ clubs joining a euro league to be fair.
Would level our playing field I think.

 

maybe thats what they want m8 .eventually ..football lost its identity long time ago shame like ..i dont even bother watching c league now ... does not interest me one bit ..and thats sad as i . would never miss a match whoever was playing ever ....

 

Totally agree. It seems like both NE clubs have some promising young players coming through.

 

our area ..is really finding it hard now ... bring fresh coachs from places like spain . holland ..allover europe ..just start somewhere ...towards change ..

and at no cost ... training techniques lifestlye whatever ... but fresh look and shift all the crap oot ..somehow

 

A bit too idealistic there I reckon.

The last two successful youth products you both brought through, were prized away from you by a team that doesn't even compete at the very top. Money talks and will continue to in my opinion.

 

i like the everton approach with stones ...but money does talk your right ..... with certain owners .... not many loyal ...but coached mentally the right way .who knows .

the only way

 

Was having a similar conversation yesterday, one way to change the mess we are in, is if FIFA reformed legitimately and outlawed agents and regulated signing on fees. You'd still get clubs paying bigger salaries etc but the cancer that is the football agent would be removed.

There's way too much incentive to move nowadays, somebody needs to take the control of the finances out of the players hands and hand it back to the clubs, who can then spend it efficiently on things like development and youth as you say.

Stones will be gone before the summer window shuts, Everton don't have the power to resist long term.

 

I would go further - Eventually bring in a 'Cantera' style policy. Develop our own kids but only from the North-East. They would know what the club and area are about and you just have to watch Athletic Bilbao to see the passion the kids bring when they eventually come through. We have always produced talented players in this area. Invest millions for the long term to bring the kids through.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/media-ne...ao-can-teach-brands-about-risk-and-innovation

 

I read this about 20 mins ago and have revisited it after pondering, What if a Euro elite league was developed, how would ashley react. How would Newcastle react.

You can bet your bottom dollar, if we remained in the top league in england, and thereir was an elite european league, then our TV money would decline massively. Would that temp Mike into throwing money at it to try and get us into the elite, would he sell or worst of all, would he just continue to do what he does now and aim for mid table finishes with no real aim or objective.

As far as I can tell, MA is a competitve guy, he likes to gamble, he likes to win. The whole rangers debarcle has shown that. He even has an products on sale in sports direct offending Rangers Chairmen, Dave King - http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/11/lat...ley-is-selling-at-sports-direct-unbelievable/

I would like to think he would get bored if that was to happen and decide the outlay in getting us to the elite isnt worth the expenditure. However to counter that argument, the sale price of the club would fall dramatically.

I honestly think an elite league is inevitable, maybe not in the next 5 years but definatley within 10-15.

 

Absolutely no chance.

Don't forget, we already have an 'elite league' it's called The Champions League.

Creating another league, or similar, would render the European Cup worthless, or at least as valuable as say a UEFA Cup.

The money isn't there for Europe, so neither Sky nor BT would pump money into countries that wouldn't yield a huge revenue for them in advertising.

The EPL is completely money-driven, anything that would destabilise the parity whether it's what you'd earn for finishing 20th or what you'd earn for winning the treble, would be vetoed.

There'll be some idiot consistently pushing that idea in UEFA probably, he'll get laughed at every time he brings it up.

 

I don't think there will be an elite league. I think what will happen is that you will see PL games taking place in the Far East and North America a la the NFL. I can see a PL game taking place in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Singapore, Tokyo etc in a few years.

It is impossible for clubs outside of the top 4 to compete financially with the top 4. Therefore, the other clubs need to focus on youth.

 

I think your wrong. At some stage BT and SKY are going to get to the point where paying Billions of pounds to broadcast Aston Villa V WBA is even too much for them, plus champions league viewings have fallen this year since the move to BT, I just done believe whats currently being done is sustainable, especially at the rate that prices increase. The customer takes the hit when new deals are negotiated.

At some stage, the rest of Europe are going to get fed up with the money the EPL gets (PGS, Real M, Barca, Juve, Bayern) and they are going to want a piece of the action (less so the two spanish teams as they control their TV rights) anyway, someone very rich is going to propose the idea, throw the money around, bribe a couple of Uefa and Fifa delegates, offer clubs obscene amounts of cash and as soon as that happens your get signatures. It would only take something like 6 teams to sign up to then get the rest to follow.

Obviously time will tell and talk about a european league has been discussed many times over. But if you can hold a world cup in Qatar in the summer, you can make a European super league!

 

I don't know if there will any elite league personally - most are pretty happy with the way things are.

At some stage you will get a changing of the guard when a club outside the top 4-6 gets a massive influx of money a la Man C or Chelsea.

The youth angle is a great idealism of breaking the top 4. Sadly the reality is Athletic Bilbao or Southampton. It will take you so far and then they take your players off you or there is limit to what can be achieved.

The only solution is controls being put in place by FIFA or individual FAS to eradicate agents, or the FA growing a set of balls and retaking control of football in this country. The reality is for me is the PL Show has got too big to stop now. We are stuck with it. It isn't that great in my opinion. Its more about the show than the football as our European results/performances seem to reflect

 

Who are the top 4? From where I'm looking, Spurs and Liverpool have no problems at all competing with Arsenal financially.

Take out Chelsea and City's recent success due to spending over what they earn, and you're left with the most successful clubs in the history of the English game. Since the inception of football. These are empires built over years and years, now all of a sudden we have to put up with clubs like Stoke and Swansea saying "Well we can't compete with the big boys"... when have they ever competed with the big boys?

You guys had every chance to be up there, like Spurs are, but you've been mismanaged from the moment you stepped foot in this league 20 odd years ago. You've never built a model for success, it's always been quick fixes and you'll never see strategic progression with that attitude.

It all sounds like excuses are being made daily to me, there's no excuses, you'll probably turn over more than Atletico Madrid this year, step your game up.

 

That's just it though. Athletic Bilbao are the model to follow. They have managed to win titles, qualify for the CL despite selling their best players. Their Cantera policy is one of the greatest youth policies on the planet. They have a catchment area of perhaps 2 million yet have managed to produce some of the greatest players that Spain has ever seen. The one thing you don't get it is continued success. There are always barren years. Yet, despite that Bilbao has never been relegated from the top flight in Spain. That is some achievement.

 

We can compete because money goes further up here.

 

The top 4 for me would be Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal. Income wise they are miles ahead of us. Liverpool and Spurs aren't far behind of course. The trouble is, we could be a financial powerhouse to match them, but with our owner not a chance.

 

Sky put their prices up year on year, it's called inflation, the cost of living rises per capita every year. BT buying European games and PL games is part of legislation to deny Sky a monopoly on TV rights for football in this country. Sky were not allowed to bid for every game.

All you're doing is saying words like 'Eventually someone very rich' ... Who? You're talking about somebody challenging with world's largest media corporation to an arm wrestle. It's already regulated to encourage fairness, why isn't this rich somebody attempting to get a piece of the pie now?

Sky aren't losing money you know, they're speculating to accumulate, it's how businesses usually work.